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trasience's top 24 24 moments, with video clips and writeups. (spoilers)

trannyscience | Posted 7/23/2007 7:30:41 PM | message detail | #051
if the mountain lion ate her? maybe.
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trannyscience | Posted 7/23/2007 8:05:30 PM | message detail | #052
#18: Assad and the knife (season 6)

"I don't know how to do this anymore."
"You'll remember."


I don't have a video for this - I looked everywhere but couldn't find one. season 6 is just too new, I guess.

in episode 2, you've just met Assad. you've seen one or two scenes with him, but have no idea what to make of the guy. you can't tell if he's a good guy, a bad guy or neither. you don't know if he's cool or not.

Assad and Jack get a mole of Fayed's back to a safe house of some sort and sit him down for interrogation. Jack asks where Fayed is, then stabs him with some kind of knife-like thing. the mole insists he doesn't know, so Jack stops.

"Why'd you stop?"
"He doesn't know anything."


Assad is like "oh hell no", and picks up a knife and slams it into the guy's knee. it's freaking gruesome, and one of the only scenes in 24 history that makes me wince every time I see it. Assad asks again and the guy tells him where some of Fayed's men are. Assad thanks him, sentences the guy and stabs him in the stomach. Jack's like "........"

at that point, you "get" Assad. he's even more hardcore than Jack at interrogation. season 5 had Christopher Henderson, an evil Jack Bauer. season 6 has Assad, an evil-turned-good Jack Bauer who will do whatever it takes. and he's awesome. at this point, you can't wait to see what kind of adventures Jack and Assad will get up to together.

Jack, still stunned, says he doesn't know if he can do it anymore. minutes before, Assad gets a good look at all the scars on his back from China. the more mentally stable man isn't the CTU superagent - it's the terrorist. it isn't often you see Jack get completely outclassed like this.
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Applekidjosh | Posted 7/23/2007 8:08:31 PM | message detail | #053
season 6 jack, at least early on, was just crazy
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trannyscience | Posted 7/23/2007 8:49:06 PM | message detail | #054
#25: Michelle at the hotel
#24: George Mason's departure
#23: Lynn McGill's redemption
#22: "I'm gonna need a hacksaw."
#21: Ryan Chappelle's execution
#20: Logan Revealed
#19 - Jack finds Terri
#18 - Assad and the knife

mini-list time! my ten least favourite 24 characters:


10. Richard Heller
9. Martha Logan
8. Carrie Turner
7. Ahmed Amar
6. Marianne Taylor
5. Sandra Palmer
4. Marilyn Bauer
3. Julia Miliken
2. Sherry Palmer
1. Miles Papazian

apparently I hate girls, aw yeah
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Dorobou | Posted 7/23/2007 8:51:51 PM | message detail | #055
It's AHmed!
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Applekidjosh | Posted 7/23/2007 8:52:11 PM | message detail | #056
aw yeah sandra palmer
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 7/23/2007 8:52:56 PM | message detail | #057
How could you hate Sherry? I mean, you can hate her, but not in a least favorite characters way!
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trannyscience | Posted 7/23/2007 8:54:11 PM | message detail | #058
I always like to imagine that AHmed led the moron to terrorism

if that's the case, if I see one more transcience I'm blowing up a mall
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trannyscience | Posted 7/23/2007 8:54:49 PM | message detail | #059
Sherry's brilliant, I won't deny that. a great character.

I still hate her god damn guts.
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Applekidjosh | Posted 7/23/2007 8:56:44 PM | message detail | #060
if Richard Heller was only in season 4 he'd be one of the best characters
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Lady Ashe | Posted 7/23/2007 8:58:51 PM | message detail | #061
gat
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lcadwallader | Posted 7/23/2007 9:01:15 PM | message detail | #062
if Richard Heller was only in season 4 he'd be one of the best characters

richard heller was the hippy son he only was in season 4 0wned
raysplasherz0r | Posted 7/23/2007 9:02:25 PM | message detail | #063
I think he meant James Heller.
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Dorobou | Posted 7/23/2007 9:09:19 PM | message detail | #064
Wait just a damn minute... Kim Bauer isn't on your bottom 10?!
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trannyscience | Posted 7/23/2007 9:09:54 PM | message detail | #065
I can stand Kim Bauer. she sucks, but not as bad as those guys.

push the list to fifteen and Kim Bauer shows up.
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Applekidjosh | Posted 7/23/2007 9:11:07 PM | message detail | #066
oh yeah james heller
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Dorobou | Posted 7/23/2007 9:13:04 PM | message detail | #067
Saying that Kim is better than AHmed... if you didn't have a deterrent, I'd make you go blow up a mall right this instant!
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trannyscience | Posted 7/23/2007 9:36:33 PM | message detail | #068
#17: Jack vs. the Drazens (season 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BYAloEzptw

the Drazens confuse me. why did they want Jack to come get them so bad when they only had like one or two people at their base? there couldn't have been more than a couple other guys along with them there. some super-terrorists! the acting is pretty bad here too, thanks in large part to Dennis Hoppervich. (though Andre Drazen's lines are just bad.) at least that ridiculous accent is unintentional comedy, because otherwise this would be just awful. all in all, this is a rather weird scene.

the music makes it, though. I love the direction of this scene, the action is quality and the music sets the atmosphere perfectly. 24's music and sound effects are really top-notch. plus, this is the final showdown of the season for Jack, and I really like the end scene after 5-10 hours of buildup.

and of course, you can't talk about this scene without talking about Jack vs. Victor Drazen. Victor running out of bullets, closing his eyes, and Jack just unloading on him, continuing well after he was dead, continuing even more after he fell into the water, and then collapsing. Jack certainly got his revenge for his, uh, dead daughter.
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Lady Ashe | Posted 7/23/2007 9:40:58 PM | message detail | #069
I never liked the first half of the episode, because if I recall correctly, Nina told Jack about the death despite him saying two seconds earlier "I'm going in". Which, y'know, ended up screwing both her and the Drazen's over.
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trannyscience | Posted 7/23/2007 9:58:44 PM | message detail | #070
I don't remember that happening at all. Jack was going to go in anyway, but I don't think he told Nina about it.
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trannyscience | Posted 7/23/2007 10:34:27 PM | message detail | #071
#16: "Mr. President, you owe me."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noG2oYODPYM is the best I can find

truer words have not been spoken.

this is my favourite Bauer quote. forget all the impossible things Bauer has done to save the country - Wayne Palmer wouldn't even be alive if not for Jack. his brother's killers would not have been brought to justice without him. not only does the country owe him, Wayne Palmer personally owes him.

"Mr. President, with all due respect, 16 hours ago your people left me for dead and I did not hesitate."

the best part about this quote is that it's equal parts truth and conviction. the way Bauer delivers the line is great. Wayne Palmer can't refuse him when he says those words. thanks to this line, season 6's ridiculous plot is allowed to go past 17 episodes.

...I guess you could hold that against this quote, but whatever!
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Applekidjosh | Posted 7/23/2007 10:42:31 PM | message detail | #072
ah yes

why does everyone hate 6 wtf
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SenpaiDessus | Posted 7/23/2007 10:47:12 PM | message detail | #073
this is my favourite Bauer quote. forget all the impossible things Bauer has done to save the country - Wayne Palmer wouldn't even be alive if not for Jack. his brother's killers would not have been brought to justice without him. not only does the country owe him, Wayne Palmer personally owes him.

I'm rewatching Season 3, and you also gotta remember that Wayne was the one who kept telling David to authorise the Air Force to shoot Jack down.
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trannyscience | Posted 7/23/2007 10:51:03 PM | message detail | #074
6 is entertaining - I'm one of the bigger defenders of the season being fun. it's got some great moments. but it's also got some awful stuff that's just inexcusable, from daddy superterrorist to Assad/Logan being thrown out prematurely. the latter really, really left a bad taste in my mouth.

really like the last eight episodes, though. the first four are also good. it's that inbetween half that's really subpar - by 24 standards, anyway.
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SenpaiDessus | Posted 7/23/2007 10:56:57 PM | message detail | #075
Last 7 or so were weak. One of them in particular (the one where the doctor wants to operate on Audrey) was just flat out abysmal. Also, I couldn't help feeling that all this fuss over Josh Bauer wasn't worth it, when after season 1, Jack lost his wife... I dunno. The terrorist threat got averted not by Jack but by the military.
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trannyscience | Posted 7/23/2007 10:58:09 PM | message detail | #076
Josh Bauer is so.. random. it's like they wanted to turn him into a male Kim, despite the fact that Jack hasn't seen him in like nine years. yeah, I'm not buying that.

I liked that episode with Audrey.. it's not anything special, but I liked seeing Doyle and Jack get on the same page.
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SenpaiDessus | Posted 7/23/2007 11:18:56 PM | message detail | #077
I liked that episode with Audrey.. it's not anything special, but I liked seeing Doyle and Jack get on the same page.

That's the problem, I guess. 24 sets its bar so high that when something isn't special, it feels like it sucks.

But obviously it's still one of the best things on TV.
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Applekidjosh | Posted 7/23/2007 11:29:58 PM | message detail | #078
though it's no heroes!
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Naye745 | Posted 7/24/2007 12:21:45 AM | message detail | #079
Season 6 blew it by ditching an amazing character like Assad so quickly. Just thinking about that death pisses me off.

And I am once again reminded that basically everything about the S1 finale was amazing.
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plasmabeam | Posted 7/24/2007 12:29:09 AM | message detail | #080
I actually thought the first 10 episodes were great in S6. Episode 17 was epic, and the last 3 were good as well.

The problem with S6 was that it climaxed too early. You can't expect to maintain a suspenseful plot when you kill off a major character and do the unthinkable (Nuke Valencia) in the 4th episode. That's just way too high of a standard to live up to week after week.

Same with S2... you have a nuke going down with one of your finest characters, and you expect a fabricated recording to be a good substitute for the main threat? At least S2 peaked two-thirds of the way through the season.

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plasmabeam | Posted 7/24/2007 12:32:56 AM | message detail | #081
mini-list time! my ten least favourite 24 characters:


10. Richard Heller
9. Martha Logan
8. Carrie Turner
7. Ahmed Amar
6. Marianne Taylor
5. Sandra Palmer
4. Marilyn Bauer
3. Julia Miliken
2. Sherry Palmer
1. Miles Papazian

apparently I hate girls, aw yeah


Do more of these. By the way, I think "least favorite" is a bad title for the list. Sherry Palmer was an excellent character who ended up being the perfect foil for David. Calling her a bad character just doesn't work.

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transience | Posted 7/24/2007 12:35:11 AM | message detail | #082
S2 peaks with episode 15, yeah.. but I really enjoy the political drama that ensues. the recording stuff is pretty ridiculous and it nearly kills Jack, but I still think it's pretty good stuff.

I actually made the same comment about season 6 last week, with it peaking too early. when you're arming nuclear bombs that could detonate any second in episode 8, something's wrong.
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Naye745 | Posted 7/24/2007 12:35:15 AM | message detail | #083
er, isn't that the right title then? He's not saying they're the worst, he's saying they're the ones that he hates the most, which I think mostly everyone would put Sherry under.
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transience | Posted 7/24/2007 12:36:08 AM | message detail | #084
Do more of these. By the way, I think "least favorite" is a bad title for the list. Sherry Palmer was an excellent character who ended up being the perfect foil for David. Calling her a bad character just doesn't work.

I never called her bad - I called her my least favourite.
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Naye745 | Posted 7/24/2007 12:37:19 AM | message detail | #085
See, the thing about 24 is that they can kill off characters and stuff, but it should never make you feel like they really blew it.

Yet with Tony, Assad, Curtis, and Doyle (sort of), it was just frustrating, and not well done at all.

grr season 6 grrr
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plasmabeam | Posted 7/24/2007 12:38:06 AM | message detail | #086
The first 4 episodes of S6 could've stood alone as 24 The Movie quite easily IMO.

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transience | Posted 7/24/2007 12:39:22 AM | message detail | #087
you forgot Logan. at least Curtis had a reason, and Doyle to a lesser extent. getting wounded in the line of duty is okay; getting killed for no reason at all, that's where it irks me.
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Naye745 | Posted 7/24/2007 12:41:40 AM | message detail | #088
Curtis's wouldn't have bugged me if it weren't like: "Hey we need a character to die so Jack has a big emotional reaction. Let's write Curtis out in a plotline that goes totally against his character."

and yeah Logan's was just idiotic.
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plasmabeam | Posted 7/24/2007 12:46:09 AM | message detail | #089
Yet with Tony, Assad, Curtis, and Doyle (sort of), it was just frustrating, and not well done at all.

They rush to kill off characters. Tony's death was kind of vague, and after all he's been through... c'mon at least die for Jack or someone. Assad's was premature, Curtis's was jaw-dropping and powerful, and Doyle's was unnecessary. Milo also deserved to live IMO. He was the only interesting CTU character other than Bill in S6.

Hell, at this point, I'd gladly accept some of the lamest excuses ever if they brought some of my favorites back (The nuke HEALED Mason, Jack missed when he shot Nina, Chase got the Luke Skywalker treatment with his arm, etc). Seriously, 24 has almost run out of good supporting characters.

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transience | Posted 7/24/2007 12:50:43 AM | message detail | #090
haha. healed.

I agree that CTU is feeling a bit.. soulless these days. I'm a huge Buchanan fan, but it's tough to connect with the other staffers, especially Nadia. I can't get behind her at all, there's just nothing about her that interests me. Chloe's one of those necessary/important characters, but isn't someone I can really like. Morris is kinda cool, as long as they're not throwing some stupid Chloe drama at him. I liked Milo, but the writers were like "lol" to him. that's.. pretty much it for CTU, and it looks very probable that Buchanan is out for season 7. that place is in such upheaval - it's amazing what stability Tony and Michelle brought, and you don't realize it until they're gone. I wish they'd create a 'new Tony', someone who was a staple of the place and had a good relationship with Jack. the only person like that right now is Chloe and she's not exactly the most likable character.
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transience | Posted 7/24/2007 12:54:03 AM | message detail | #091
then again, when you're only alive one day every two years, it's kinda hard to build a good relationship.
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Naye745 | Posted 7/24/2007 12:55:07 AM | message detail | #092
I like Chloe a lot, they just wrote for her really poorly in S6.
Morris is awesome too, once again, when the writing's good.
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AnAmericanDream | Posted 7/24/2007 12:56:19 AM | message detail | #093
above the kneecap
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SenpaiDessus | Posted 7/24/2007 12:56:41 AM | message detail | #094
Yeah, I agree that what hurt 24 most this season was CTU sucking. I love Morris and Chloe, but they got the worst storylines imaginable. Milo and Nadia sucked, too. Mike Doyle was an actually interesting character, but he became too predictable too fast, and then he was written out.

Sometimes I wish the writers would slow down, chill, and look back to the earlier seasons, where an arc was allowed to span up to four hours, as opposed to the necessity of being resolved or escalated in the next twenty minutes...

Also, I miss Kate Warner. By far Jack's best love interest that ever hit the show.
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transience | Posted 7/24/2007 12:57:17 AM | message detail | #095
Chloe gets better with age for me. season 3 Chloe is just awful, season 4's a little better, I like her in 5, and she's okay in 6 when she's not being written like crap. (ie anything involving a relationship)
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SenpaiDessus | Posted 7/24/2007 12:58:14 AM | message detail | #096
I like Chloe a lot, they just wrote for her really poorly in S6.
Morris is awesome too, once again, when the writing's good.


Agreed. Chloe's great in Seasons 3, 4, and 5; she's wasted in Season 6. Morris's cameo in S5 was awesome, too, but they basically dropped the ball on his characterisation (though I must admit that Fayed using the mother****ing DRILL was amazing).
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Naye745 | Posted 7/24/2007 1:00:25 AM | message detail | #097
I thought everything Morris did not involving relationshipz was great in S6. The fact that he gave into the torture was a really good subplot, and I give him a lot of credit for pulling it off believably.
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transience | Posted 7/24/2007 1:02:14 AM | message detail | #098
yeah, I liked that a lot.. but Morris is at his best when he's being arrogant and sarcastic. turning him into an emo kid, for lack of a better word, just isn't his style.
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plasmabeam | Posted 7/24/2007 1:02:53 AM | message detail | #099
Chloe was arguably the best female on the show aside from Nina until S6. She completely tanked this year. She went from being an interesting sarcastic character who would risk anything to help Jack and her country to... pretty much Morris's babysitter. All Chloe cared about in S6 was Morris's drinking and following the rules at CTU... bleh.

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SenpaiDessus | Posted 7/24/2007 1:04:26 AM | message detail | #100
In all honesty, Chloe should have died this season.
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