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transience ranks every notable character from "24". (mega spoilers) (mega-list)
sorry --- xyzzy |
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im
just going to assume his absence is merely you pushing an agenda for
user votes and that you actually do think he is ridiculously awesome where you putting season 8 in your final rankings? --- sess |
I'm
not sure yet. 7 and 8 I have a hard time ranking -- they're technically
pretty good, but after 6 I found it hard to really embrace 24 in the
same way. 8's got a very mediocre first half and a very good second
half -- I'll probably rank it around the middle. I think I'd
tentatively go 5 > 1 > 4 > 7 > 8 > 3 > 2 > 6, with
4/7/8 being pretty close together. --- xyzzy |
and heres my guess for top 5 1. jack 2. logan 3. palmer 4. bill 5. marwan --- sess |
i think 6 made me biased towards 7 because there was such a discrepancy in goodness that i completely ate 7 up i think that also happened with the first half and second half of 8 too --- sess |
tran i know exactly what you mean about the effect of S6 i'm not sure how objectively bad it is, but it killed the momentum of 24 so badly, and considering just how goddamn much momentum we entered with, that does speak badly of it one thing that bothered me about S6 is that it made 24 feel old - like we'd seen every trick in the book. S4/S5 had a lot of 'technically repetitive' sequences i'm sure, but it still felt fresh. after S6, and i say this with complete confidence, even some of the greatest parts of S7/8 began to feel just a little trite. --- Gandhi loved you, and look what happened to Gandhi. |
yeah
I'm the other way around. after the nonsense of 6, seeing Zombie Tony
running around as a terrorist made me super skeptical. if they had done
that after season 5, I could have dealt with it a little better, but
after Phil and Graem Bauer is was tough to keep a straight face. --- xyzzy |
yeah
I agree with that too. the last great interrogation is in season 6.
after that we just started yelling at people and pulling off body parts
immediately. there was a lot of subtlety lost after season 5 -- instead
of having buildup, we just walk up to Milo and shoot him in the face.
because that innocence was lost, I have a hell of a time being fair to
seasons 7 and 8. --- xyzzy |
53. Karen Hayes Season(s): 5, 6 Bio: http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Karen_Hayes Karen Hayes comes to CTU in the same way that Alberta Green, Ryan Chappelle and Lynn McGill came -- as outsiders who are there to clean things up. Karen also comes equipped with Miles Papazian which is some serious baggage. Needless to say, we came in expecting to hate Karen Hayes, and at first she's a bit obstinate, especially when the first thing that happens under her watch is Jack giving Theo Stoller the WET list. It takes Karen a while to come around, but eventually she does - she helps out Chloe and Bill and ends up marrying Bill. In season 6, she becomes the head of Homeland Security and butts heads repeatedly with Tom Lennox until she's forced to resign. Karen manages to stay on until the very end, and she alerts Bill as to where Jack is so he can intercept the car. Karen is arrested and probably forced to resign and we never see her again. Despite Karen being on the good guy's side, I don't think anybody really overly liked her. She always seems troubled and struggles to make good decisions. I don't think she belongs in Washington at all. That's not to say that I dislike her though. She does a great job in coming to her senses and goes directly against the Vice President when she aids CTU instead of replacing all of their personnel like she was told to do. She even goes against the President towards the end when she realizes something wonky is going on. Karen has some good qualities, but they often manifest themselves too late in the game. 52. Kevin Carroll Season(s): 1 Bio: http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Kevin_Carroll I should just call him Alan York. Kevin Carroll is the first major plot twist in 24. When Nina calls Teri to tell her that the dead body they ID'd is Alan York, it's the biggest "ohhhhhhh crap" moment in the series up to that point. If you put Kevin Carroll's character in a different season, it wouldn't be nearly as effective, but for season 1 it's perfect. Kevin Carroll himself really isn't all that special. He does a great job imitating Alan York and he's thoroughly convincing. He never presses Teri and he lays off of Jack instead of trying to get information out of him. His heel turn -- when he kills Janet York -- is legitimately great. His relationship with Jack is good too. When he gets in the limo with Ted Cofell and sees Jack, he doesn't even really try to resist. He just tells him that they need to go. Kevin Carroll was always small-time and it was never more clear than when he met Alexis Drazen and got himself killed, but he was a good mole. --- xyzzy |
you dont like the interrogations of pavel or burnett #2? --- sess |
(that reminds me - i'm assuming pavel and burnett aren't on this list, right?) --- Gandhi loved you, and look what happened to Gandhi. |
they're
not, no. I don't like them nearly as much as Ted Cofell or Christopher
Henderson or Joe Prado, no. those ones had some buildup to them. Pavel
and Burnett are just straight torture. --- xyzzy |
pretty
sure sess was talking about the second burnett 'interrogation,' where
jack just walks into the room and burnett starts freaking out. i loved
that myself. i also really liked pavel, though in the sense that i enjoyed jack's turning into the villain full time and not for the 'excitement' of the interrogation scenes you listed. --- Gandhi loved you, and look what happened to Gandhi. |
yeah,
thinking about it, Burnett's is good. there's some buildup there and
Jack has a limited amount of time. it's not just beating people up for
fun. you liked Pavel? that accent of his killed him for me immediately you know what mini-boss I liked a lot? John Quinn --- xyzzy |
just for tha record even though i have my disagreements this is a great topic man! --- sess |
you liked Prado's torture? --- FC 1849 0634 8041 Boring sig is boring |
prados was great the only 'torture' i didnt like was vosslers wife the whole baby thing was just awkward --- sess |
"this'll help you with the pain." yeah, I liked Prado's torture. --- xyzzy |
The actor for Carroll was going to be Jack before they knew they could get Kiefer... imagine that. --- "O, Lord, give me health and strength. We'll steal the rest." |
I'd rather not. --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com/wesker.gif |
very slowly catching up - i would have put nadia a bit higher, i liked her plotline with milo. plus she's hot, yeah. only thing that jumps out so far |
I'd
put Carroll higher. for small-time, he was excellent. karen and kate
maybe a bit higher too - guess i should see who's above them first. --- Jays: 27-20 / TFC: 4-4-1, NCC champs! / Leafs / Raptors SS - 3052 0230 3247 | Platinum (legalhacks) - 0775 7164 7136 |
you liked Pavel? that accent of his killed him for me immediately as a character he wasn't anything special, but he made it through a ton of torture and verified novakovitch's assertion that 'pavel is a good soldier.' that scene wasn't great for the typical torture techniques jack uses but for the way it shows how jack is just falling apart at the edges. the pleasure that jack takes in gutting pavel is proof that he's stepped quite clearly into villain territory. (and man S8 had a ton of really bad accents - i was immune to them by the time pavel rolled 'round.) you know what mini-boss I liked a lot? John Quinn john quinn was rockin'. he also gives hodges a great moment where hodges is like 'ooh, quinn's good... bauer's good too!' it's one of hodges's first scenes and you just realize that this guy loves a good fight as much as we do, and the showdown doesn't disappoint. --- Gandhi loved you, and look what happened to Gandhi. |
I actually liked Pavel's accent. --- http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv124/InfiniteNine/2n6tfte.gif |
My top 5: 1. Jack 2. Chloe 3. Edgar Styles 4. Nina Myers (*ducks*) 5. George Mason |
Eeeps, Edgar Stiles, not Styles |
Mike Novick better be high up, really miss that guy. |
oh man, I loved that Hodges line. we won't be seeing Hodges for a while still. --- xyzzy |
'kay caught up. yeah when i did my rewatch of 1-6, carl webb was a guy i hoped to see more of. he would have gone well with logan, or hell, even daniels. |
Mike Novick better be high up, really miss that guy Definitely. Curtis Manning too. |
From: transients | #229 Good man. I'm surprised Saunders hasn't popped up yet, mainly cause a lot of people didn't care for him. Is his daughter on the list? --- TheRock ~ HERE'S MY SUNDAY BEST! Board 8 Late Night Crew |
I
keep checking this topic to see where characters I know land.
Miraculously I've only managed to spoil small bits of season 3 and
nothing else. Good to see my two favorite villains from the first three
seasons (Gaines and Ramon) still in. --- http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/HowDisturbing/stayawhile.jpg Fight like dragons, have no fear, swords are made of STEEEEEEEEL~ |
I'm surprised Saunders hasn't popped up yet, mainly cause a lot of people didn't care for him. Bad people. Very bad people. --- http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv124/InfiniteNine/2n6tfte.gif |
From: KleenexTissue50 | #234 Honestly, I just love that final scene where Jack threatens to send Saunders' daughter into the hotel. That was probably Jack at his most evil prior to this season. --- TheRock ~ HERE'S MY SUNDAY BEST! Board 8 Late Night Crew |
Janus, you should get the hell out of this topic. trust me on this. --- xyzzy |
Agree with transience imho. --- http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv124/InfiniteNine/2n6tfte.gif |
Can I stay? --- TheRock ~ HERE'S MY SUNDAY BEST! Board 8 Late Night Crew |
When your daughter is infected, I'm gonna make you watch her die. --- TheRock ~ HERE'S MY SUNDAY BEST! Board 8 Late Night Crew |
Okay. I think I just lucked out - I just accidentally read that Saunders has a daughter... and then had this revealed on the show immediately afterward. --- http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/HowDisturbing/stayawhile.jpg Fight like dragons, have no fear, swords are made of STEEEEEEEEL~ |
Oh shoot, I didn't realize you were doing a watch-through. My bad. --- TheRock ~ HERE'S MY SUNDAY BEST! Board 8 Late Night Crew |
Grossest part of that Day was when Gael Ortega starts bleeding heavily through his nose. IT'S EVERYWHERE! |
51. Dana Walsh Season(s): 8 Bio: http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Dana_Walsh Okay, here goes. Dana Walsh's plotline in the first half of s8 is just miserable. Kevin Wade is an okay character, but everything involving Dana is just terrible. She's got a second identity as an ex-con and gets blackmailed by her ex-boyfriend. She's marrying pretty boy Cole Ortiz, and when he finds out about her past, goes to help her and kills Kevin and her friend. Then there's a parole officer trying to find Kevin that keeps poking her head around. The dumb plotlines never end. Dana is super annoying at this point, not because of her character but because of how bad the story is and how there is absolutely no payoff. Dana Walsh twelve episodes in is a disaster. And then it happens: Dana Walsh kills the parole officer and just like that, she's the spitting image of Nina Myers. She has every positive Nina Myers trait. She's extremely evasive. She uses relationships with people against them. She lies so well that I have a hell of a time telling if she's telling the truth or not, even when I'm programmed not to believe a single thing she said. She picks up on Jack and how he's out of control and tells the truth to others about him. Dana practically turns Cole against Jack and knew what Jack was up to before the audience did. When she was initially captured, it was a recreation of the end of season 1 when Jack caught Nina. When Cole, Dana and Jack go to the bank, she gets away in a very Nina-esque fashion and her chase scene is great. When Jack does catch her, her death scene is *very* reminiscent of Nina's - her defenseless, Jack killing her anyway. All it needed was "you don't have any more information, do you" Those two episodes with Dana, Cole and Jack working together are great and it's all because of Dana, one of the most infuriating characters of season 8. 50. Syed Ali Season(s): 2 Bio: http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Syed_Ali Syed Ali reminds me of Sephiroth. He has an incredible amount of hype, from the very first episode, without ever showing his face. People talk about him as this Keyzer Soze-like figure - never been seen, the man in control of the nuclear bomb that's going to blow up Los Angeles. When we finally see him, it's when Kate and her detective friend are being brutally tortured, and he's in all black. He even looks like the devil. Unfortunately, Ali's reign lasts like two episodes. Jack looks at a man's pants and somehow decides it's not Ali, then captures him. Ali is imposing and threatening, but Jack threatens his family - a first in 24 for Jack - and pretends to kill one. Ali's facial expressions during the torture scene are great. Jack and Ali's dynamics are also really good - two guys who have been through hell and can relate despite being on opposite sides. Jack's interrogation of Ali is fantastic. And just like that, Ali is gone - sent away to CTU and then taken out by a sniper. It's hard to believe he's the big boss of season 2 with such little screen time. The only legit villain of season 2 didn't get enough time to shine. --- xyzzy |
Jack looks at a man's pants and somehow decides it's not Ali best --- http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv124/InfiniteNine/2n6tfte.gif |
Kevin Wade is an okay character, but everything involving Dana is just terrible. ^5 in the end i might like post-heel-turn dana more than nina myers (was never a big nina fan). however, i have to object to 'dana knew what jack was up to before anyone else' - i don't think jack himself knew he was out for vengeance when dana that trash talk at him. i think jack was still focused on justice first at that point. it's only when dana escapes cole, shoots civilians, and tries to kill jack personally that jack's patience and tolerance just totally snap. i think a similar thing happened with nina, where it was after nina killed three doctors and threatened kim's life that jack finally went over the edge and killed her in cold blood. Jack looks at a man's pants and somehow decides it's not Ali, then captures him. **** yeah, amazing jack moment --- Gandhi loved you, and look what happened to Gandhi. |
I'm amazed that they actually were able to make me feel sorry for Dana after she was captured. --- TheRock ~ HERE'S MY SUNDAY BEST! Board 8 Late Night Crew |
Dana gets points for telling Cole exactly how Jack is going to kill her, and then 40 minutes later Jack does just that. --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com/wesker.gif |
Dana gets points for telling Cole exactly how Jack is going to kill her, and then 40 minutes later Jack does just that. self-fulfilling prophecy imo. --- Gandhi loved you, and look what happened to Gandhi. |
I
think Jack was on the revenge path the second Taylor shot him down at
CTU. at that point it was "okay, the president does not care about
justice, so I'm just going to wipe out every last person involved with
this. Renee Walker will not be an acceptable loss." we just didn't know it until he shot Dana in cold blood. Dana was a step ahead of us. --- xyzzy |
I
was pretty sold on ROGUE BAUER after he held up CTU and jacked their
helicopter. But yeah, him gunning down Dana was like the point of no
return. --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com/wesker.gif |
