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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 6/1/2010 6:37:38 PM | message detail | filter | #401
I like Wayne, and he's probably be in my top 25.

I don't have any particular issue with him being over Chloe, it's just that Chloe's about 15 spots too low !
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FFDragon | Posted 6/1/2010 6:40:09 PM | message detail | filter | #402
I'd say between 10 - 12 spots imo
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 6/1/2010 6:46:21 PM | message detail | filter | #403
I like Wayne

dunno where'd I put him though.
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The Hero Of Time | Posted 6/1/2010 8:00:15 PM | message detail | filter | #404
Fayed is a great villain stuck in a bad season. I'm glad he was ranked this high. He's one of the more rational villains on the show, and had a surprisingly large amount of appearances. Forget Cheng and Philip; Fayed was the main villain of season 6.

He also employs my favourite bit-part terrorist on the show, Hasan Numair: partially due to being played by Canadian comedian Shaun Majumder, partially due to the lengths Fayed went to to get him - he demanded that whole prisoner release for the sole purpose of getting him - and most of all, for being the guy to both create and detonate the infamous bomb. Not bad for a guy that only appears in two episodes and only had a few lines.

I'm a little surprised by your ranking of Chloe, to be honest, but you have good reasoning to it.
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transients | Posted 6/1/2010 9:00:28 PM | message detail | filter | #405
19. Allison Taylor
Season(s): 7, 8
Bio: http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Allison_Taylor

Allison Taylor has David Palmer's conviction and honour. She does not have his charisma -- or anything close to it -- but her actions and decision-making are the closest that we've seen to David.

Allison Taylor's shining moment is undoubtedly the final episode of season 7 when she learns that Olivia was behind the death of Jonas Hodges. Allison has an easy out for burying the truth and Olivia seems genuinely sorry. Allison has already lost one son to her Presidency and Henry is begging her to help Olivia.

Allison says that she has to do the honourable thing and buries Olivia. It's a powerful scene and a clear message of what Allison Taylor is all about: honesty and doing the right thing without compromise. Throughout day 7, she did the right thing. She did not sacrifice Sangala when everyone else thought it was the smart thing to do. She did not give in to Dubaku when he kidnapped Henry. And she did not let Olivia get away with murder. In the process, she ended up with a dead son, an incarcerated daughter and an ex-husband who was shot for her cause.

And that's what makes her day 8 personality so frustrating: for the sake of reintroducing Charles Logan to the plot, Allison Taylor's character was compromised. She gave in to a coverup when she wouldn't do the same thing to her own family. She does astounding things like telling Jack Bauer face to face that he has to stand down. That's bad, but worse is when she threatens Dalia Hassan's country for the sake of peace. My eyes popped out of my head when she did that. That isn't the Allison Taylor that we knew. Allison comes to her senses in time, resigning her position and exposing Suvarov for the criminal that is, but it's too late: Allison Taylor compromised just once.

also her resignation has allowed Mitchell Hayworth to ascend to the highest office in the land and it's a damn good thing they didn't make a season 9 because nobody would stand for this

18. Larry Moss
Season(s): 7
Bio: http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Larry_Moss

Larry starts out as a tool, a stickler for the rules that Jack Bauer is intent on breaking. Jack is seen as a torturer first and foremost throughout the beginning of season 7 and his character suffers for it. To be fair, Larry has some good reasons not to trust in Jack - one of his first actions is to knock Renee out and break Tony out of FBI HQ. His next move is to torture Vossler and threaten his family through Renee. Still, Larry takes the high ground and it is not appreciated -- after all, he's opposing Jack Bauer. Anybody that opposes him ends up screwed or dead.

Larry comes to the good guy's side in good time. When the Vice President (our current 24 president augh) wouldn't budge on sending the FBI teams into the White House where Juma was holding Taylor, Larry orders them to go in anyway. Later, Jack escapes to Senator Meyer's house who is then found dead, but Larry starts to question why the crime scene doesn't make sense instead of just assuming it was Bauer. Finally, when Hodges messes with the FBI and tells them there's no weapons there, Larry distracts the Starkwood guys by going up and punching a guy despite having a hundred guns aimed at his head. Larry's got some balls and he's a really good director.

And then, in the saddest moment of season 7, Tony does a sick heel turn and suffocates him. That was a heartbreaking way to find out which side Tony was on, and it was just minutes after we decided that Larry Moss was awesome. Goodbye, Larry Moss. You were good.
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LordEmbok | Posted 6/1/2010 9:10:56 PM | message detail | filter | #406
larry moss really
TTF | Posted 6/1/2010 9:11:03 PM | message detail | filter | #407
Chloe vastly underrated.
LordEmbok | Posted 6/1/2010 9:11:42 PM | message detail | filter | #408
i mean he wasn't bad

but look at some of the people you've put below him
The Hero Of Time | Posted 6/1/2010 9:21:08 PM | message detail | filter | #409
Larry Moss was awesome, really. One of three bosses that I sympathized with more than Jack himself for a time (the other two being Bill Buchanan and George Mason)

Ah, best case scenario, Hayworth wasn't Vice President anymore by that time; he was never mentioned in Season 8 either way, so he very well could've been fired by Taylor after the events of Day 7. I would've fired him after that; it's your fault Bill's dead!
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FFDragon | Posted 6/1/2010 9:24:58 PM | message detail | filter | #410
You can't... fire a vice president.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 6/1/2010 9:25:58 PM | message detail | filter | #411
You can "consult with Charles Logan and make the vice president go away".
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transients | Posted 6/1/2010 9:27:45 PM | message detail | filter | #412
hey, the Palmers were inches away from firing both of theirs. granted they had some consent there, but yeah.
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FFDragon | Posted 6/1/2010 9:29:30 PM | message detail | filter | #413
This raises a point though: Why do 24 presidents pick such ****ty running mates?
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transients | Posted 6/1/2010 9:31:03 PM | message detail | filter | #414
it's 24. that show thrives on conflict.
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transients | Posted 6/1/2010 9:33:52 PM | message detail | filter | #415
though you're right, 24 VPs have been legendarily bad.

I think Logan might be the least offensive VP in 24 history. that's saying something.

...wait, no. Gardner was legit.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 6/1/2010 9:33:57 PM | message detail | filter | #416
Hey now, Hal Gardener was a classy guy.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 6/1/2010 9:34:21 PM | message detail | filter | #417
The Hero Of Time | Posted 6/1/2010 9:47:35 PM | message detail | filter | #418
Ah, you can't just fire them? Sorry, my American politics isn't so good (I'm Canadian, and the details of your political system is one thing about Americans that Canadians neither share, nor have much knowledge of)

Yeah, Gardner was pretty cool. I kinda wish we got to see what he was like as President. He can't compete with Wayne Palmer, apparently.

I just went over the list, and I realized that Rob Weiss isn't listed yet! If he's not on the list, he's a fairly important character and should be listed, if so... really, this high? I understand the reasoning without even needing to be told why, but even so...
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transients | Posted 6/1/2010 9:48:32 PM | message detail | filter | #419
Rob Weiss isn't on the list. he never struck me as being all that important.
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TTF | Posted 6/1/2010 9:50:24 PM | message detail | filter | #420
President and Vice President can only be removed from office by impeachment, not fired.
GeneralKenobi85 | Posted 6/1/2010 11:23:55 PM | message detail | filter | #421
Taylor and Chloe should be higher in my opinion. And I don't really like Wayne Palmer that much, but I guess it's all opinions.
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transients | Posted 6/1/2010 11:24:35 PM | message detail | filter | #422
17. Hamri Al-Assad
Season(s): 6
Bio: http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Hamri_Al-Assad

I like this guy way more than I should given how he really only had three episodes to shine, but man, those three episodes were incredible. Assad is the only guy I can think of to legitimately one-up Jack: when interrogating one of Assad's men, Jack does his usual hardcore interrogation and gets nothing. Assad then shoves a knife fully into his knee and gets exactly the information he wants, leading Jack to question everything.

Assad is an evil Jack Bauer turned good. The Jack-Assad team is better than any other tag team in 24 history: better than Chase, better than Curtis, better than Renee, even better than the Jack/Tony pairing in season 7. He spent years as a high-level terrorist but began to believe in diplomacy over terrorism. When Fayed double crosses him, Assad gives himself up to track him despite not trusting the American government at all. Even when everyone -- Buchanan, Lennox, Wayne Palmer -- talks down to him, Assad stands up for what he believes in and works to help them. You're never quite sure where Assad is coming from, but he sure as hell comes out of these exchanges as the better man.

I always thought the bad-guy-turned-good-guy angle was fascinating: I could never fully trust Assad. I was always waiting for him to go back to being a bad guy. Jack shot Curtis to protect him after knowing him three hours. I wanted to see Assad make Jack feel miserable and get more screen time, but alas, the writers for season 6 sucked. They brought him in as this really cool character and sacrificed him to save Wayne Palmer. He went out with a bang (quite literally), but it ultimately sucked. Assad had so much more to give and they relegated him to helping with some political speeches. Blah, season 6. I think this bothered me more than anything else besides the Bauer crap.

16. Michelle Dessler
Season(s): 2, 3, 4, 5
Bio: http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Michelle_Dessler

I think Michelle Dessler is a little overrated. She has two things going for her: 1.) she's cute and 2.) she's maybe the only female protagonist in 24 history that's actually competent. Most of them sit behind their desks as analysts or argue about dumb crap in DC, but Michelle can go out in the field and shoot people too. That wins her major points.

Unfortunately, she's only awesome for one arc of season 3: the hotel. And she's really awesome there, shooting a guy who's being a dick and taking complete control of the hotel despite being potentially infected with the virus. Other than that, she's merely a competent CTU character: a good one for sure, but not someone that can hang with the top tier characters that the show has seen. Her death also triggered the downfall of Tony Almeida which was really unfortunate. Tony was awesome and Michelle was pretty cool, but their relationship kind of sucked for both of them: Tony doing dumb things in season 3 for her, some really awkward dialogue whenever the writers tried to pair them up, Tony being all bent out of shape in season 4, Michelle crumbling to try and protect him when he got Mandy'd, etc etc. Even her awesome hotel arc ended with her being kidnapped and used in that damsel in distress role. She also got stuck with the stupid Carrie Turner subplot. Ugh.

I think I'm maybe being unfair to Michelle here when I should be holding it against the writers instead, but she just never grabbed me like other characters did except for that one awesome arc. I think I see that one arc where she was allowed to shine and then hold it against her that she's just a competent CTU second-in-command the rest of the time. I wish she had more chances to kick ass.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 6/1/2010 11:25:32 PM | message detail | filter | #423
chloe shot people too
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FFDragon | Posted 6/1/2010 11:26:33 PM | message detail | filter | #424
with an AK
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 6/1/2010 11:27:01 PM | message detail | filter | #425
she also shot jack bauer

how many people can say that
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FFDragon | Posted 6/1/2010 11:27:17 PM | message detail | filter | #426
Also Michelle has a third thing going for her: Edgar saying her name. Which I laughed at... every single time.
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transients | Posted 6/1/2010 11:30:31 PM | message detail | filter | #427
miz desslah is top tier, for sure.

Chloe wussed out and screamed for five minutes before doing it. Kim shot a dude too you know
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 6/1/2010 11:33:17 PM | message detail | filter | #428
Top 15 predix

1. Jack Bauer
2. David Palmer
3. Tony Almeida
4. Bill Buchanan
5. Charles Logan
6. Christopher Henderson
7. Renee Walker
8. Mike Novick
9. Curtis Manning
10. Wayne Palmer
11. Ethan Kanin
12. Aaron Pierce
13. Jonas Hodges
14. Nina Myers
15. James Heller
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FFDragon | Posted 6/1/2010 11:33:54 PM | message detail | filter | #429
Chloe's first gunning was better anyway, if for nothing else but the conversation she had with Edgar about it later.

Chloe O'Brian: Edgar, I appreciate your concern. I really do. Just when I shot that guy, I thought I'd go all fetal position. But the truth is I didn't feel anything. At all. I hope I'm not some kind of a psychopath.

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FFDragon | Posted 6/1/2010 11:35:11 PM | message detail | filter | #430

From: transients | Posted: 5/28/2010 10:00:54 PM | #290
43. James Heller
Season(s): 4, 5, 6
Bio: http://24.wikia.com/wiki/James_Heller


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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 6/1/2010 11:35:37 PM | message detail | filter | #431
Oh whoops.

I thought that was a little high.

Hold on a sec.
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WARMACHlNE | Posted 6/1/2010 11:35:52 PM | message detail | filter | #432
Anyone want to do a quick recap?
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transients | Posted 6/1/2010 11:37:40 PM | message detail | filter | #433
you're missing Mason

I like that conversation with Edgar, where she's talking about processing it. Chloe is such a dork. her relationship with Edgar was one of the best in the series.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 6/1/2010 11:38:25 PM | message detail | filter | #434
1. Cubby
2. Jack Bauer
3. David Palmer
4. Tony Almeida
5. Bill Buchanan
6. Charles Logan
7. Christopher Henderson
8. Renee Walker
9. Mike Novick
10. Curtis Manning
11. Wayne Palmer
12. Ethan Kanin
13. Aaron Pierce
14. Jonas Hodges
15. Nina Myers

Silly me.
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WARMACHlNE | Posted 6/1/2010 11:38:25 PM | message detail | filter | #435

From: transients | #433
you're missing Mason

I like that conversation with Edgar, where she's talking about processing it. Chloe is such a dork. her relationship with Edgar was one of the best in the series.


Actually, that's what I was trying to figure out mostly. Whether Mason was on the list or not already.

Good to see he's top 15. REALLY wish he didn't die so quickly.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 6/1/2010 11:39:29 PM | message detail | filter | #436
Oh yeah.

Hmm, Mason above Wayne, I guess.
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FFDragon | Posted 6/1/2010 11:40:10 PM | message detail | filter | #437
Cubby hells yes.
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WARMACHlNE | Posted 6/1/2010 11:40:48 PM | message detail | filter | #438
Also, call me crazy but I think I'd put Dessler above Walker.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 6/1/2010 11:41:11 PM | message detail | filter | #439
FFDragon | Posted 6/1/2010 11:42:55 PM | message detail | filter | #440
http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Cubby

...fffffffffffffff I forgot he most likely died in the explosion.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 6/1/2010 11:43:11 PM | message detail | filter | #441
And hey, Cubby's been in more episodes than half the people on this list! Including some of the top 15!
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WARMACHlNE | Posted 6/1/2010 11:46:10 PM | message detail | filter | #442

From: KleenexTissue50 | #439
You're crazy.


I'm just not a huge Walker fan I guess.
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Naye745 | Posted 6/2/2010 12:04:55 AM | message detail | filter | #443
really want to rewatch seasons 2-8 now
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Naye745 | Posted 6/2/2010 12:06:19 AM | message detail | filter | #444
also i say this all the time when talking about s6 but killing off assad was the absolute worst decision they made (and they made a lot of terrible decisions in s6)

great character with such an assload of potential written off in a stupid way

though tom lennox was awesome as hell, that's for sure. i wish he had been in s7 to play off of allison, even though that wouldn't have made any sense politically
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TheRock1525 | Posted 6/2/2010 12:07:50 AM | message detail | filter | #445

From: Naye745 | #444
also i say this all the time when talking about s6 but killing off assad was the absolute worst decision they made (and they made a lot of terrible decisions in s6)

great character with such an assload of potential written off in a stupid way

though tom lennox was awesome as hell, that's for sure. i wish he had been in s7 to play off of allison, even though that wouldn't have made any sense politically


Novick worked for both Republicans and Democrats. I don't see that being a big deal in the 24 Universe.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 6/2/2010 12:12:39 AM | message detail | filter | #446
Assad was complete wasted potential.

Luckily he was quite good for when he was around.
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SemiFinal vs Belarus | Posted 6/2/2010 12:24:22 AM | message detail | filter | #447
can i talk about how dumb killing off assad was too



because it was dumb and made me angry
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FFDragon | Posted 6/2/2010 12:26:14 AM | message detail | filter | #448
season 6'd
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AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 6/2/2010 12:42:25 AM | message detail | filter | #449

From: SemiFinal vs Belarus | #447
can i talk about how dumb killing off assad was too



because it was dumb and made me angry


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transience (tc) | Posted 6/2/2010 1:04:05 AM | message detail | delete | filter | #450
I'm glad to see other people pissed off about this!
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