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Time to keep playing through Shadow Hearts because it's so awesome. (Part 2!)

ZFS | Posted 5/4/2007 2:52:46 AM | message detail | #001
So we can keep that whole discussion from last time going, and then I'll just keep the SH1 stuff in here, too.


Yuri FTW.

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 5/4/2007 2:53:13 AM | message detail | #002
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transience | Posted 5/4/2007 2:54:19 AM | message detail | #003
waiting on that character / game list!
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ZFS | Posted 5/4/2007 2:54:26 AM | message detail | #004
Alright, quick now.

Top 10 games/characters.


I'll grace you with that sucker tomorrow.

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Wiikku | Posted 5/4/2007 2:55:17 AM | message detail | #005
i didn't think Yuri made it clear that he knew he was reliving the past in the good ending.

uhh...explain?
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Undeniable | Posted 5/4/2007 2:55:20 AM | message detail | #006
Wait, you're just done with Covenant? No Dark Seraphim?
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ZFS | Posted 5/4/2007 2:55:20 AM | message detail | #007
Although here's a tease for the characters, because I'm undecided on games.

1.) Yuri Hyuga (Shadow Hearts)
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2.) Tidus (Final Fantasy X)
[etc, etc]

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ZFS | Posted 5/4/2007 2:56:17 AM | message detail | #008
Wait, you're just done with Covenant? No Dark Seraphim?

Nah. I'm not going to magically make SH1 appear right before me, so it might be a day or two before I get it, so in the meantime, I'll do sidequest stuff and keep talking about it here and then tranny can hype up SH1 and etc.

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transience | Posted 5/4/2007 2:57:26 AM | message detail | #009
no need -- I've hooked you. :)
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ZFS | Posted 5/4/2007 2:58:28 AM | message detail | #010
You know, this all goes back to that really, really bad Man Festival link.

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Undeniable | Posted 5/4/2007 2:58:57 AM | message detail | #011
I also owe tranny a lot of thanks. When I first got into SH, he was the one mostly helping me through it and all.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 5/4/2007 3:01:07 AM | message detail | #012
1.) Yuri Hyuga (Shadow Hearts)

"aw yeah"
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transience | Posted 5/4/2007 3:02:17 AM | message detail | #013
well, now that you're done, I guess I can drop everything about sidequests for you.

- to get the ultimate fusion, you have to get all the soul drops, Kurando's second fusion (this involves a really crappy sidequest dungeon as well), and... I think that might be it. all of Yuri's fusions as well, but you've got those if you use all your soul drops.

- highly suggest the dollhouse, a SH series staple. there's one in every game and they're always creepy. it's another optional dungeon for Geppetto. not sure how to trigger it offhand but I can find it for you -- or you can on that site I linked you to before.

- man festival, of course, which is actually really annoying.

- Anastasia/Kurando sidequest, which I think you get by talking to Bacon in Wales. after you clear that you can get Yuri's ultimate weapon.

- there's some other stuff but nothing all that interesting.. depends on how much you want to do. I never do SH2 optional stuff because it's just unnecessary.
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Wiikku | Posted 5/4/2007 3:04:02 AM | message detail | #014
Man Festival is annoying, yes, but it's so worth it.

ok not really

The new fusion for Kurando is probably the best thing. And did you get all the Sword Arts for Karin?
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jlh28532 | Posted 5/4/2007 3:04:38 AM | message detail | #015
Now, I think I am to believe that Karin ends up being Yuri's mother, which is kind of strange, but it almost sorta makes sense in a way... there are a few instances I remember from the game that almost seemed like subtle hints toward it.

Yes, Karin = Yuri's mother
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 5/4/2007 3:05:11 AM | message detail | #016
These topics have really made me want to go out and get FtnW.

They also make me sad that there aren't going to be any more games in the series. :(
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Wiikku | Posted 5/4/2007 3:05:20 AM | message detail | #017
The only thing that bugs me with that is the Yuri didn't notice WHOA HAWT CHICK LOOKS LIKE MY MOMMA
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ZFS | Posted 5/4/2007 3:05:38 AM | message detail | #018
I always thought the ideal way would be SH1 bad ending -> SH2 good ending -> SH1 good ending. I never really worried about what's up with Yuri though -- it's all about Karin.

That's actually pretty good when I think on it. Mind you, all I know about SH1's endings is that apparently they ran with the bad ending to continue the story for SH2. But if Alice doesn't die in the good ending of SH1, that seems about perfect to me.

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Undeniable | Posted 5/4/2007 3:07:02 AM | message detail | #019
Yeah, I think HM is hooked enough for FtNW. Just so you know HM, unless you already knew, FtNW features no Yuri. At all.
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transience | Posted 5/4/2007 3:08:02 AM | message detail | #020
yeah, there's no reason to try and keep you in the dark about SH1. you already know all of the plot twists, for the most part. the good ending is Alice livin' while the bad one.. well, that's the one that SH2 is based on.

which one do you want to get?
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ZFS | Posted 5/4/2007 3:08:48 AM | message detail | #021
And thanks for the heads up on the sidequests. For as easy as the game is, it does seem pretty unnecessary, but probably still fun to do, especially since there's none of that "argh why am i doing this when i could be advancing the story." But they needed to throw in some absurdly difficult optional dungeon or something.

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Undeniable | Posted 5/4/2007 3:10:26 AM | message detail | #022
Really, the only change between the two is a small scene, a boss and then, at the tale end of the game, either both Yuri and Alice wake up from the train and get off, or only Yuri wakes up, bursts into tears and the game ends. Also, I doubt SH Bad > SH:C Good > SH Good mostly due to the fact that Yuri has present knowledge, and he wouldn't of ran out at Seraphic Radiance like he did.
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ZFS | Posted 5/4/2007 3:10:39 AM | message detail | #023
The only thing that bugs me with that is the Yuri didn't notice WHOA HAWT CHICK LOOKS LIKE MY MOMMA

Karin's ending is seriously about five different kinds of disturbing.

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transience | Posted 5/4/2007 3:11:23 AM | message detail | #024
no, actually, all the sidequests are pretty tame. the director's cut, which was a japan-only release (think FFX international or something), has a nasty uberboss. it's so damn out of place because it's so much harder than the rest of the game, and frankly, not fun.

now, SH3? those sidequests are necessary, there's a badass optional dungeon after you do it all and it literally doubles the timer if you complete everything.
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Undeniable | Posted 5/4/2007 3:12:01 AM | message detail | #025
Exactly. That's why Karin just ives me the jeepers whenever I look at a scene with her and Yuri.
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ZFS | Posted 5/4/2007 3:12:17 AM | message detail | #026
which one do you want to get?

Probably the bad ending since that seems to be the one they went with. I'd rather see it first than the one where she lives.

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transience | Posted 5/4/2007 3:12:23 AM | message detail | #027
if Karin still has her memory, it's so awesome. it's like she's sexing up his dad because she's either resigned to her fate or because it's the closest she'll ever get to that ass. so awesome.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 5/4/2007 3:12:37 AM | message detail | #028
The only thing that would have made SH2's ending better is if they used Lady Tears II as the final boss music, as opposed to The 3 Karma. <_<
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Undeniable | Posted 5/4/2007 3:13:14 AM | message detail | #029
SH3 sidequests! Go to the slums of Harlem and.. answer math questions? What the crap?
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transience | Posted 5/4/2007 3:13:16 AM | message detail | #030
3 karma's a cool song.

Lady Tears is better.
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ZFS | Posted 5/4/2007 3:15:42 AM | message detail | #031
That's not even the worst part. It's like when Yuri's dad goes away... and it's just the two of them, and as much as she liked him in SH:C. ...Oh man, not thinking about this. New subject.

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 5/4/2007 3:16:23 AM | message detail | #032
New subject: Anastasia is awesome.
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ZFS | Posted 5/4/2007 3:16:55 AM | message detail | #033
now, SH3? those sidequests are necessary, there's a badass optional dungeon after you do it all and it literally doubles the timer if you complete everything.

That sounds pretty damn awesome. I hear a lot about SH3's gameplay, but then nothing about its story/characters. I'm guessing those don't exactly measure up to SH1/SH2...

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transience | Posted 5/4/2007 3:17:53 AM | message detail | #034
well, look at it this way. SH1 was made without a sequel even being a consideration. when you play it, you'll realize how much they crapped on SH1's plot - Kato, Simon, Anne.. yeah, they really went to some liberties with 2's plot.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 5/4/2007 3:18:56 AM | message detail | #035
Oh boy did they crap all over kato.

It was like the developers were scrounging for any possibly character they could bring over.
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transience | Posted 5/4/2007 3:19:14 AM | message detail | #036
3's characters are poor carbon copies of 2 at best and one-dimensional at worst. it's fairly disappointing to most fans on that front. the gameplay is where it shines. if you could put 3's gameplay into 2's story/characters? yeah, maybe the best game ever.

I'll let you see, though!
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transience | Posted 5/4/2007 3:19:41 AM | message detail | #037
eh, Kato didn't really have anything to ruin. it's Simon who got the shaft.
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ZFS | Posted 5/4/2007 3:20:02 AM | message detail | #038
Yuri > Karin > Roger Bacon > Blanca > Kurando > Kato > Lenny > Anastasia > Joachim > Gepetto > Albert Simon When He Showed Up > The Great Gama > Lucia > Rasputin > Nicolai > > > > > > > > > > > Veronica

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ZFS | Posted 5/4/2007 3:21:42 AM | message detail | #039
well, look at it this way. SH1 was made without a sequel even being a consideration. when you play it, you'll realize how much they crapped on SH1's plot - Kato, Simon, Anne.. yeah, they really went to some liberties with 2's plot.

Haha. Sounds like that'll be fun to see...

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transience | Posted 5/4/2007 3:21:56 AM | message detail | #040
not a Nicolai fan? I guess I can give my take on Nicolai: he should have killed Kato at Mt. Fuji. kickass death scene and a bad guy that's just flat out psychotic instead of the anti-villain or whatever that Kato is. he's just really poor as an antagonist -- a likable character, but someone that completely fails as an actual bad guy. Nicolai had a little rivalry with Yuri going on and he was fun to go up against. you actually wanted to kill Nicolai. with Kato it's like "uhh... let's.. fight?"
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 5/4/2007 3:22:25 AM | message detail | #041
Anastasia > Joachim

Well, I guess it's a start.
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Undeniable | Posted 5/4/2007 3:23:07 AM | message detail | #042
Simon in SH

"I'm going to destory the world to form a utopia of free ideas and peace, just as I was persecuted for."

Simon in SH:C

"Just kidding. Yeah, I didn't mean any of that, it was all to stop Rasputin."
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ZFS | Posted 5/4/2007 3:25:36 AM | message detail | #043
Kato's reasoning for doing what he did was really poor. It's understandable that he would be upset that he lost Ouka, which is essentially like losing what's-her-face a second time, but then to want to be like "OKAY GUYS IT'S TIME TO SENT THIS WORLD 100 YEARS BACK IN TIME." It's really left field. But, aside from that nonsense, I thought he was a really likable character. Nicolai was certainly a better villain, no doubt about that, but Kato is pretty much a good guy up until his "argh im gonna destory the world" and then he gets all back to being good after you beat him up. It's weird, but yeah.

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 5/4/2007 3:26:24 AM | message detail | #044
The name is Kawashima, and she's awesome in SH1.
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ZFS | Posted 5/4/2007 3:27:06 AM | message detail | #045
Yeah, Kawashima. I couldn't remember her name for the life of me throughout this entire game.

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 5/4/2007 3:27:54 AM | message detail | #046
Well, I look forward to the schoooping in SH1.
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Undeniable | Posted 5/4/2007 3:28:25 AM | message detail | #047
Yeah, I liked Kawashima. When I got the scene where she died in.. I was actually really shocked. Hey, in SH1, HM gets to mee Wugia, Master of the game of death!
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transience | Posted 5/4/2007 3:28:50 AM | message detail | #048
when are you getting SH1?
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 5/4/2007 3:29:18 AM | message detail | #049
More like Wugia: Crappy Boss Fight #1 out of all of them,
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ZFS | Posted 5/4/2007 3:29:53 AM | message detail | #050
I'm going to check some places tomorrow to see if I can get it. I know there's one place for sure, but that would be renting it -- last resort.

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