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Time to keep playing through Shadow Hearts because it's so awesome. (Part 2!)

Kyle Bowen | Posted 5/8/2007 6:26:35 PM | message detail | #351
You gonna get Yuri's best fusion?

Good luck with the ending man! Enjoy it.


KB
ZFS | Posted 5/8/2007 6:39:01 PM | message detail | #352
Just beat it and saw the ending. That was fantastic.

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 5/8/2007 6:39:46 PM | message detail | #353
Not as fantastic as Covenant's ending.
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trannyscience | Posted 5/8/2007 6:40:09 PM | message detail | #354
Kleenex speaks truth.
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ZFS | Posted 5/8/2007 6:41:04 PM | message detail | #355
Covenant's ending was better, yeah. Covenant was a better game, too!

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 5/8/2007 6:41:36 PM | message detail | #356
Covenant was a better game, too!

"aw yeah"
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ZFS | Posted 5/8/2007 6:45:45 PM | message detail | #357
Oh, and I totally cheesed my way through that final boss fight. The fight was over in four turns. I'll outline how it went.

Turn 1
God -- Time of Judgment.
Yuri -- Fuse into Amon; use Monkey Paw (triple attack power, Ring becomes irregular)
Alice -- Arc
Zhuzhen -- Gold Hourglass


Turn 2
God -- Yellow Abyss
Yuri -- Use Silver Hand (hit area becomes 100%)
Alice -- Arc
Zhuzhen -- Mana Root on Alice


Turn 3
God -- Physical attack on Alice
Yuri -- Seventh Key (500 first hit; 300 second/third hit)
Zhuzhen -- Thera Extract on Alice
Alice -- Mana Root on Yuri


Turn 4
God -- Dark Abyss
Yuri -- Seventh Key

God: "ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH"

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trannyscience | Posted 5/8/2007 6:47:31 PM | message detail | #358
nice. I like the Key to Success or something, I use that on him with that setup.
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Kyle Bowen | Posted 5/8/2007 6:49:46 PM | message detail | #359
Covenant was a better game, too!

Facts.


I told you about Monkey's Paw didn't I!!!


KB
ZFS | Posted 5/8/2007 6:50:18 PM | message detail | #360
I thought about using that one, too. I ended up just going with the Monkey Paw, though. I wasn't expecting him to be dead after two Seventh Key's, but I guess 42 hits in two turns is hard to live through. I was ready to bust out the Fifth Key if he wasn't dead after that turn, too.



But yeah, Shadow Hearts was a great game. I'm really glad I played both of them.

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ZFS | Posted 5/8/2007 7:25:56 PM | message detail | #361
Now for inequalties since I'm done with both games. aww yeah


Yuri > Alice > Zhuzhen > Karin > Blanca > Margarete > Kurando > Anastasia > Keith > Joachim > Halley > Gepetto > Lucia


Yuri > Alice > Albert Simon > Zhuzhen > Karin > Roger Bacon > Kawashima > Kato (THE CHIN > TOP HAT) > Blanca > Margarete > Lenny > Koudelka > Anastasia > Kurando > Keith > Gepetto > Rasputin > Lucia > [insert thousands, millions, billions of these little signs] > Veronica

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trannyscience | Posted 5/8/2007 7:27:02 PM | message detail | #362
Yuri > Alice > Albert Simon > Zhuzhen

what's up SH1
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ZFS | Posted 5/8/2007 7:27:40 PM | message detail | #363
It's got a much better cast, yeah.

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trannyscience | Posted 5/8/2007 7:28:15 PM | message detail | #364
so, SH1 Yuri or SH2 Yuri?
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ZFS | Posted 5/8/2007 7:32:12 PM | message detail | #365
Argh. I dunno.


Yuri in SH1 seemed liked he was the better character and Yuri in SH2 was the bigger badass.


I'm going to try to get out of this by going with -- "as a whole yuri rocks everyone else ever combined aww yeah"

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Wiikku | Posted 5/8/2007 7:33:55 PM | message detail | #366
SH1, a better cast?

Aside from Yuri, Alice, and Albert Simon, I don't think so.
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ZFS | Posted 5/8/2007 7:39:53 PM | message detail | #367
Oh, I think so, He Who Purchased Xenosaga III.


Yuri = Yuri
Alice > Karin
Zhuzhen > Gepetto (take that loli doll old man)
Margarete > > Lucia
Keith > Joachim
Anastasia > Halley
Albert Simon > Nicolai, Rasputin, etc.

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trannyscience | Posted 5/8/2007 7:39:54 PM | message detail | #368
I'd say SH1 has a more useful/interesting cast while SH2 has a more entertaining cast. it's really kind of a tossup.

honestly, you could replace all seven other characters in SH2 and the game doesn't change much.
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jlh28532 | Posted 5/8/2007 7:42:34 PM | message detail | #369
My Set-up had Kieth doing 999 Damage one hit and 700 damage on the other 2
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Wiikku | Posted 5/8/2007 7:42:38 PM | message detail | #370
Anastasia

Didn't like Halley at all, did you?

And Xenosaga III will be a good game, I'm sure!
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Wiikku | Posted 5/8/2007 7:43:03 PM | message detail | #371
er, *Anastasia >
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trannyscience | Posted 5/8/2007 7:43:09 PM | message detail | #372
Xenosaga 3 is pretty great. don't listen to HM's lies! (he hasn't even played it!)
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ZFS | Posted 5/8/2007 7:43:46 PM | message detail | #373
Yeah. Part of the problem -- not that they weren't enjoyable, mind you -- with SH2's cast is that they're just sort of there, except for Karin. They'd all have their little segments there and then they'd almost disappear for a long time while Yuri took over the show. "Entertaining," or more entertaining, is probably the best way to describe them. But I thought the cast in SH1 was a lot more balanced. They were entertaining at times, but they also had a fair bit more prominence in the grand scheme of things.


Both are great, I think, but SH1 takes it for the game not putting such a heavy focus on just Yuri.

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Wiikku | Posted 5/8/2007 7:44:07 PM | message detail | #374
Considering the fact that both you and I have played Shadow Hearts and (will have played) Xenosaga III before him, I think I'll take your word for it!
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trannyscience | Posted 5/8/2007 7:44:56 PM | message detail | #375
agreed - however, I think Yuri is deep/strong enough on his own to carry an entire game. it's not like SH2 gets boring because you're tired of hearing about him.
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ZFS | Posted 5/8/2007 7:45:00 PM | message detail | #376
I can't get Semi's summary of the game out of my head. That was so, so awful.

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Wiikku | Posted 5/8/2007 7:45:08 PM | message detail | #377
I fail to see the point in Keith, Zhuzhen, and Margarette. At least, they're nowhere near as prominent as their SH2 counterparts.
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trannyscience | Posted 5/8/2007 7:46:08 PM | message detail | #378
Zhuzhen and Margarete are fairly prominent.. certainly moreso than Lucia or Geppetto. quick, name five scenes those guys were in!

Keith, yeah, I'll give you that. he's completely useless plotwise.
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ZFS | Posted 5/8/2007 7:46:29 PM | message detail | #379
No doubt about that. Yuri is an amazing character, and he's more than enough to make that game great all by himself. Characters could have come and gone as Yuri traveled around and that game would still have been just as great.

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Wiikku | Posted 5/8/2007 7:48:27 PM | message detail | #380
Well actually, I forgot about Zhuzhen's relation with Dehuai. but still, Marge was just IMMA BLOW UP DA TRAIN oh hey handsome grr kawashima
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Wiikku | Posted 5/8/2007 7:48:48 PM | message detail | #381
oh, and out gathering intelligence or whatever, but yeah
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trannyscience | Posted 5/8/2007 7:49:06 PM | message detail | #382
that's certainly more than IMA CHARGIN MY DOLLS
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ZFS | Posted 5/8/2007 7:49:54 PM | message detail | #383
I fail to see the point in Keith, Zhuzhen, and Margarette. At least, they're nowhere near as prominent as their SH2 counterparts.

Keith didn't really have much to contribute outside of the Blue Castle, but Margarete and Zhuzhen were pretty prominent throughout the entire story. Margarete had a bit there where she'd disappear from time to time, but come on, compared to Lucia?

Zhuzhen was there from pretty much the beginning until the end. Gepetto would oftentimes not say anything for so long that when he did say something it was like "holy crap old man where did you come from." I'd say the Asia part alone had more Zhuzhen than SH2 had Gepetto.

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trannyscience | Posted 5/8/2007 7:51:16 PM | message detail | #384
oh hey HM

favourite parts? least favourite parts? Asia or Europe? general thoughts? give us a review!
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Wiikku | Posted 5/8/2007 7:51:21 PM | message detail | #385
Lucia gave Yuri the "That's one big *****" line!
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ZFS | Posted 5/8/2007 7:57:11 PM | message detail | #386
Let's see here.


My favorite part of the game was probably the part where Alice helps Yuri stand up to Fox Face. I loved that -- Fox Face punches Alice, Yuri is like "oh hell no you didnt," and then he beats his "weakness." Great stuff right there. I'd give an honorable mention to Yuri telling Alice about how if he failed to protect her would be the day he'd die (the sequence where he recalls the night his mother died) and -- wait for it, wait for it -- SHLOOOOOOOOP. God bless you, Sea Mama.


My least favorite part was trying to get Amon. Holy **** that Nemeto Ruins sucked ass. Major ass. Never want to do that again ass. As far as a scene, I'm not sure there was one I disliked.


For areas -- SH1 Europe > SH2 Asia > SH2 Europe > SH2 Russia > SH1 Asia. That looks like that I hate SH1 Asia, but I loved it. So take that into consideration when looking at that.

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trannyscience | Posted 5/8/2007 7:59:00 PM | message detail | #387
aww yeah sh1 europe love

you hated Nemeton? really? I enjoy it. I guess if you're clueless as to how to do the treasure chest stuff it could get tedious, but I love the area, the music and the puzzles. and you can one-hit stuff with Yuri's fusions, so those were never a problem.
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ZFS | Posted 5/8/2007 8:03:39 PM | message detail | #388
Oh, and my favorite "dungeon" of the game was probably the Mental Hospital, with the Orphanage close behind. There was something about those two areas that I really liked. Probably the fact that they weren't too big, had just the right amount of "puzzles," and had some good scenes.


The entire sequence with Alice and Zhuzhen saving that one town right after Yuri tries to fuse with the Seraphic Radiance was great, too.


Everything I try to remember an area of the game I'm like "oh god that was so awesome." :)

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ZFS | Posted 5/8/2007 8:27:41 PM | message detail | #389
To put it all together, I think Shadow Hearts was a fantastic game. Not the best I've played (certainly up there, though), but it probably does have the best (or at least my favorite) story. If you could take SH2's technical superiority (graphics, gameplay, etc.) and apply them to Shadow Hearts, I don't think there'd be another game even close to being as good. Perhaps more than anything else, I would have liked to see the great voice acting that was in Covenant put into SH1. That would have increased my liking of the game that much more, I think.


Oh, and even though the gameplay was a step back in that it was really basic, I did like that characters learned skills at certain levels. There's something about how each of them is unique in what they offer that I find more appealing than just giving any character magic. Crests were fine in Covenant, don't get me wrong, but I prefer how it was done in SH1. Everything else, though, was a huge step in the right direction in Covenant.


I guess one of the few things I might have complained out loud about was how long the battles lasted. It seemed like once you started getting toward the end, boss battles were just dragging on due to how much HP they all had. Once you get Arc, it's really easy to keep battles under complete control, so you're never in danger of losing, or having to worry about it and getting all anxious; instead, you just sort of chill and pound away on a boss that has something like 5000+ HP when you're doing ~350 with your strongest character. It just takes forever. I know I cheered inside everytime you see a boss go into that "oh god oh god oh god im about to die" animation.


Shadow Hearts was a great, great game. I wasn't actually expecting to like it nearly as much as I did. I was just playing through it to get more details about the story that was touched on every now and then in Covenant. I didn't expect to find that all of those remarks about the atmosphere would help add so much more to the game -- nor did I expect to find that its story was top of the line! Between both games, I don't think there's a setting in any game that I enjoy more, or a cast of characters that are more entertaining. Yuri alone absolutely smashes most games' entire casts. He's such a well developed, round, dynamic character that if I hear anyone on this board being all like "lol games dont have good characters" I'm going to e-punch them in their e-faces.


But yeah, as a whole, it's not as good as Covenant, but it's still a hell of a game. I thoroughly enjoyed playing through both of them. Without that tranny topic, I would have never played these -- and that would have just been criminal. :O

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Lady Ashe | Posted 5/8/2007 8:29:02 PM | message detail | #390
Get back to the Via Infinito now. =/
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trannyscience | Posted 5/8/2007 8:31:07 PM | message detail | #391
and it's all thanks to the Man Festival.

"aw yeah"
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 5/8/2007 8:32:11 PM | message detail | #392
Alright, what cult RPG series do we get HM into next?
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Lady Ashe | Posted 5/8/2007 8:33:05 PM | message detail | #393
I've got one! How about Final Fantasy? He should start with X-2!
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ZFS | Posted 5/8/2007 8:38:50 PM | message detail | #394
and it's all thanks to the Man Festival.

I just can't believe a clean, pure, mega-hit RPG like Shadow Hearts would have such a thing! :O


(That was so awesome)

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trannyscience | Posted 5/8/2007 8:46:14 PM | message detail | #395
SH, Suikoden...

you know, I'm not really into as many cult RPGs as I thought. I can't think of anything else to hype! everything else I like is either rather mainstream (at least by this place's standards) or Xenosaga.
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ZFS | Posted 5/8/2007 8:51:09 PM | message detail | #396
I expect Semi to come barging in here eventually saying something like "Okay. Now go pay $200 to get SMT!"

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Lady Ashe | Posted 5/8/2007 8:52:21 PM | message detail | #397
I know you most likely have, but if you haven't, it would be a travesty, so... Have you played Summon Night?
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trannyscience | Posted 5/8/2007 8:52:32 PM | message detail | #398
SMT: Nocturne's kinda fun, but nothing I'd hype like crazy. never played DDS.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 5/8/2007 8:53:01 PM | message detail | #399
Hey HM, play some .hack!
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ZFS | Posted 5/8/2007 8:53:53 PM | message detail | #400
I haven't played Summon Night, but a quick Google Search makes me not want to.


And no .hack. Just no. None of that.

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