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I rank every Phoenix Wright character, with small writeups. (uh spoilers)

Go 2 | Posted 11/20/2007 2:17:46 AM | message detail | #251
i was thinking of ranking cases but i wasn't sure whether or not i'd be too lazy to make a topic about it or not
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transience | Posted 11/20/2007 2:18:02 AM | message detail | #252
oh snap

better see some predictions here
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Heroic Yuna | Posted 11/20/2007 2:20:50 AM | message detail | #253
2-4 > 3-5 > 1-4 > 1-5 > 3-4 > 3-2 > 3-1 > 1-3 > 2-3 > 3-3 > 2-2 > 2-1 > 1-1 > 1-2

yeah i suck at predix
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Same Orphanage | Posted 11/20/2007 2:21:08 AM | message detail | #254
1. 2-4
2. 1-4
3. 3-5
4. 1-5
5. 3-4
6. 3-3
7. 1-3
8. 3-1
9. 2-2
10. 1-2
11. 3-2
12. 2-3
13. 2-1
14. 1-1

Bring it.
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Heroic Yuna | Posted 11/20/2007 2:22:08 AM | message detail | #255
augh why do i have 3-2 so high now augh
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transience | Posted 11/20/2007 2:23:31 AM | message detail | #256
kleenex just threw down the gauntlet
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The Destoyer | Posted 11/20/2007 2:26:51 AM | message detail | #257
1-4
2-4
3-5
1-5
2-2
3-4
1-3
3-2
3-1
3-3
2-3
1-2
2-1
2-3
1-1

hastily thrown together just like my last one that BEAT DOWN UNKLEENEX THE CHEATER
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transience | Posted 11/20/2007 2:27:53 AM | message detail | #258
I might have to do this now

drama
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transience | Posted 11/20/2007 2:28:04 AM | message detail | #259
uhh first i have to make a list
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Same Orphanage | Posted 11/20/2007 2:28:36 AM | message detail | #260
Haha you don't stand a chance with a list like that.
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transience | Posted 11/20/2007 2:30:02 AM | message detail | #261
#14: 1-1

- uh, it's fine for a trial case, I suppose, but the fact that I didn't even remember the victim's name says it all
- Phoenix really sucks as a lawyer in 1-1, like he's not the best lawyer in general but in 1-1 it's flat-out laughable, darn you trial cases
- I liked the 9 hours difference thing, that's about the only thing I really remember from this case
- woo Mia
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The Destoyer | Posted 11/20/2007 2:30:07 AM | message detail | #262
we'll see

(i probably don't and i'm scared to look over it and see what stupid things I did but i can't let him know that)
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Go 2 | Posted 11/20/2007 2:30:38 AM | message detail | #263
great transience-quality list:
1-4 > 2-4 > 3-5 > 3-4 > 1-5 > 2-2 > 3-1 > 3-3 > 3-2 > 1-2 > 1-3 > 2-1 > 1-1 > 2-3

augh i'm not sure how good that looks but i guess it's predix enough
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The Destoyer | Posted 11/20/2007 2:31:26 AM | message detail | #264
XD
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transience | Posted 11/20/2007 2:33:58 AM | message detail | #265
#13: 2-1

- lol amnesia, what a crappy copout way to do another tutorial case
- Richard Wellington is a tool, he's not really funny, he's just... uh, there
- still, this case at least has some depth to it -- not a lot, but certainly more than 1-1
- I like Maggey Byrde, still not sure why, but you certainly get more interaction with her than you do with Larry in 1-1
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Same Orphanage | Posted 11/20/2007 2:34:52 AM | message detail | #266
Game over, Destoyer.

Looks like I win this round.
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The Destoyer | Posted 11/20/2007 2:36:35 AM | message detail | #267
IT'S NOT OVER YET

tranman you should postpone this until tomorrow because i have to go really soon and i won't be here to trashtalk
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Same Orphanage | Posted 11/20/2007 2:39:15 AM | message detail | #268
Ain't no trashtalkin' to be done, son! You've already lost.
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transience | Posted 11/20/2007 2:40:44 AM | message detail | #269
#12: 2-3

- I'm actually surprised this case gets so much venom spewed at it. I thought I'd be the exception because it's LOL FUNNY and I usually don't get the forced humour in PW.
- but this thing's got *tons* of flaws. for starters, the defendant is, in my opinion, pretty unlikable, and as I said before, I wouldn't have minded losing this case because of him.
- then there's the cast, which is one-dimensional at its finest. I don't mind one-dimensional, but all of their quirks sucked.
- the murder is utterly ludicrous and full of so many bizarre unplanned coincidences that it really detracts from the storyline
- the murderer doesn't fit the bill of a murderer at *all*, and even though I like him, I wish it was someone else
- plus there's Fran whipping the crap out of you left and right, it's just not a very fun case, I can't think of a single part of this case that I really enjoyed
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transience | Posted 11/20/2007 2:41:11 AM | message detail | #270
postpone? I'll do one more and then tomorrow, when you're both around, it's on.
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The Destoyer | Posted 11/20/2007 2:41:53 AM | message detail | #271
pfft, maybe i'll just AMEND MY LIST EVERY FIVE SECONDS LIKE YOU AND THEN CLAIM ITS NOT CHEATING

yeah, i suck at trashtalking so you wouldn't be missing much =(

bah i had the same bottom as unkleenex but i changed it because i thought he'd accuse me of coyping his list or something
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The Destoyer | Posted 11/20/2007 2:42:43 AM | message detail | #272
and wow did i really put 3-2 that high?
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Same Orphanage | Posted 11/20/2007 2:46:13 AM | message detail | #273
Hey, you can't win 'em all.

Or any of 'em, in your case.
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transience | Posted 11/20/2007 2:53:11 AM | message detail | #274
#11: 3-2

- everyone seems to love or hate this thing. I give it credit for being unique, but little itty bitty things that I have trouble describing annoy the hell out of me in this case.
- for starters, it just feels so bare-bones. there's Ron, Atmey, and... that's pretty much the entire cast. there's a couple scenes with Dessie, a Larry and Adrian cameo, and.. uh, Gumshoe? as far as plausible villains, there's only Atmey.
- the "two crimes at the same time" had already been done in 1-5, and even though 1-5 was written after 3-2, 1-5 being done a hell of a lot better cheapens my reaction to 3-2.
- my big problem with the case is Atmey, though. it's not that I dislike him -- okay, I kinda do -- it's that he just gives up. there's no resistance provided at *all* the first time, and then when you finish him off, you don't even provide evidence. he just goes into his little laughing spree and it's over.
- I also don't like the storyline all that much. even good characters -- Adrian, Pearl, even Larry -- are well below their usual standards.
- best part of 3-2: already said it, judge's brother represent

oh ho ho top 10 tomorrow
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Same Orphanage | Posted 11/20/2007 2:54:31 AM | message detail | #275
Do you see what you've brought upon yourself now, Destoyer?
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The Destoyer | Posted 11/20/2007 2:54:38 AM | message detail | #276
Luck.
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Go 2 | Posted 11/20/2007 2:58:16 AM | message detail | #277
i admit it: this list is better than mine already
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Heroic Yuna | Posted 11/20/2007 9:41:13 AM | message detail | #278
tranny is just a kleenex fanboy and modifying the list to make him win imho
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transience | Posted 11/20/2007 3:44:20 PM | message detail | #279
more like kleenex is a tranboy who studies my every comment and puts up a knockout guess

uhh the bottom of it anyway
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Go 2 | Posted 11/20/2007 4:07:41 PM | message detail | #280
more plx
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Heroic Yuna | Posted 11/20/2007 4:13:06 PM | message detail | #281
either way he needs to get a life imho
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The Destoyer | Posted 11/20/2007 6:40:15 PM | message detail | #282
k, i'm done letting you win unkleenex, time to get serious
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Giggsalot | Posted 11/20/2007 7:00:27 PM | message detail | #283
list was awesome even though i had to skip like 20 of the writeups cos i'm the only guy on the board who hasn't played AA3 yet

props
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transience | Posted 11/20/2007 9:47:45 PM | message detail | #284
hmm, I think I'll watch a movie and then do this!
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Go 2 | Posted 11/20/2007 11:12:08 PM | message detail | #285
this movie better not be any lord or the rings 20 hour bullcrap
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Heroic Yuna | Posted 11/20/2007 11:13:38 PM | message detail | #286
I disagree. It should, that way I don't stay up late for the list. =/
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transience | Posted 11/20/2007 11:14:35 PM | message detail | #287
I turned it off after an hour anyway, most boring movie ever
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fe0n1x | Posted 11/20/2007 11:33:44 PM | message detail | #288
I read the whole thing. I think it's ironic that you put Viola Cadaverini as #13. lol
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transience | Posted 11/21/2007 12:19:35 AM | message detail | #289
okay errands done

time to do this!
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transience | Posted 11/21/2007 12:26:23 AM | message detail | #290
#10: 3-1

- easily the most interesting of the tutorial cases. easily the most involved of the tutorial cases. and easily the most significant of the tutorial cases.
- really, it's a shame they decided to make this a tutorial case. for a case that ties in so heavily to the final two cases of the game, it's short, not really all that involved and fairly simple. Dahlia deserved more than this.
- my biggest gripe with 3-1 is Mia. she's so.. confused and lost because it's a tutorial case, and her performance in her first case (3-4) is far, far better. when you go back and play 3-1 after finishing 3-4, it's damn obvious and really disappointing.
- best part of 3-1: Payne. for once, he's a pretty damn good opponent who kicks Mia around harder than even Edgeworth could.
- again, what the hell is up with Phoenix here? thank god he transformed from "Feenie" to "Phoenix goddamn Wright".
- uhhh Grossberg you can stop talking about your ass at any time
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The_Lady_Ashe | Posted 11/21/2007 12:28:09 AM | message detail | #291
why the god damn ass is 1-2 above 3-1
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Go 2 | Posted 11/21/2007 12:36:28 AM | message detail | #292
yeah no kidding

mega-underrated cases: 3-1 and 3-4
mega-overrated cases: 1-2 and 3-2
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transience | Posted 11/21/2007 12:39:19 AM | message detail | #293
#9: 1-2

- argh, so many flaws in this case. April May and Redd White are the two huge flaws, as is Mia inventing evidence out of nowhere. I still can't get over the single hugest plot twist in PW history being committed by a guy who uses words like Ridiculosity.
- there's some good stuff here though. the introduction of the most infamous case in PW history, DL-6. the introduction of Maya. nailing Redd White is fairly satisfying, even if he's a tool. plus, it's really short and kind of fun to replay because it doesn't waste time with long investigations.
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transience | Posted 11/21/2007 12:56:26 AM | message detail | #294
#8: 3-3

- a fairly flawed case, but it has a lot of redeeming qualities.
- first, the cons. the beginning is boring. I can't stand Tres Bien's music. there is way too much Jean Armstrong. I can't stand how you have to move three and four screens in order to get where you want to go. I got stuck hitting trigger points in 3-3 more than any other case.
- those are just small-time, though -- the biggest flaw of 3-3 is that its first trial date is almost completely useless. usually, you'd get some big revelation at the end of the first trial date, but 3-3's is just.. blahh.
- but then there's the good stuff. for starters, Viola: an entertaining witness in a great investigation area (Tender Lender). the whole story there is interesting, too.
- that's not as good as the day 2 trial, though. Phoenix vs. Tigre pretty much makes case 3-3 - before this started I was down on PW3, but once I got to Tigre I changed my tune. without a great last trial date, this would be down there with the 2-3's of the world.
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Go 2 | Posted 11/21/2007 12:59:44 AM | message detail | #295
i'm gonna throw this out there: within 30 seconds of 3-3 i was already more into it than 3-2. the idea of a fake phoenix basically ruining his reputation, and maggey being the one found guilty; all of that was better than anything in 3-2.

i kind of feel like 3-3 might drop in my eyes, like 2-3, upon replay but the first time through i found it very fun and entertaining.
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transience | Posted 11/21/2007 1:02:07 AM | message detail | #296
yeah, I liked that too, but it just kind of floundered without going anywhere for a long time. that whole first day investigation seems like a waste of time.
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Same Orphanage | Posted 11/21/2007 1:05:21 AM | message detail | #297
now you're just screwing up my list on purpose
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PiGuy96 | Posted 11/21/2007 1:17:10 AM | message detail | #298
I thought Young Edgeworth did a much better job owning Mia than (relatively) Young Payne. Mia bumbles her way through 3-1, true, but Payne doesn't really capitalize on it. (He's too busy fantasizing about Dahlia, I suspect.) On the other hand, pretty much every contradiction you find in Gumshoe's testimony in 3-4 is a trap laid by Edgeworth or easily explained by him. He's less dominating during Dahlia's testimony, but he still puts on a better show than Payne.

And I agree that Dahlia deserves better...her cross-examination during 3-1 sucks because it's an easy tutorial case and you don't really hate her yet, Mia does well against her in 3-4, but Terry's suicide erases all of that, and, satisfying as 3-5 is, there's barely any cross-examination there. That's why I don't like her as much as von Karma or Gant...they really bring it all out in the courtroom.
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transience | Posted 11/21/2007 1:19:35 AM | message detail | #299
#7: 1-3

- forgettable cast sans the defendant (and even he's kinda plain, he just happens to be likable), boring antagonist, a bit too much Oldbag for anyone's tastes.
- despite this, I thought the storyline was pretty good: Powers and Hammer's relationship, Hammer and Vasquez, even the minor characters (S4L, the fanboy, Penny) were decent enough and made piecing what actually happened a good time. as long as Oldbag wasn't involved, this was a pretty fun case.
- 1-3 is awesome for its standout moments, though. Gumshoe to your rescue in studio 2? aww yeah. Edgeworth face turn? OH YEAH. I absolutely love it when he comes to your aid in the last day of court. it's too bad Vasquez isn't a better antagonist that you just hated, because otherwise this case would be a lot more memorable.
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Same Orphanage | Posted 11/21/2007 1:20:21 AM | message detail | #300
Well, got that one right at least.
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