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I rank every Phoenix Wright character, with small writeups. (uh spoilers)
| transience | Posted 11/21/2007 1:22:03 AM | message detail | #301 |
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I thought Young Edgeworth did a much better job owning Mia than
(relatively) Young Payne. Mia bumbles her way through 3-1, true, but
Payne doesn't really capitalize on it. (He's too busy fantasizing about
Dahlia, I suspect.) On the other hand, pretty much every contradiction
you find in Gumshoe's testimony in 3-4 is a trap laid by Edgeworth or
easily explained by him. He's less dominating during Dahlia's
testimony, but he still puts on a better show than Payne. yeah, but most of that is at the beginning. once you get Ms. Foster to the stand, Edgeworth is basically a sitting duck. Payne, on the other hand, adds insult to injury. And I agree that Dahlia deserves better...her cross-examination during 3-1 sucks because it's an easy tutorial case and you don't really hate her yet, Mia does well against her in 3-4, but Terry's suicide erases all of that, and, satisfying as 3-5 is, there's barely any cross-examination there. That's why I don't like her as much as von Karma or Gant...they really bring it all out in the courtroom. yup. Dahlia (and Engarde, to a lesser extent) are good for their storylines -- Karma and Gant are good for their "gameplay" or court presence or however you want to describe it. --- xyzzy http://ds.ign.com/articles/834/834194p1.html |
| transience | Posted 11/21/2007 1:45:51 AM | message detail | #302 |
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#6: 2-2 - strengths: case revolves around the Fey family, introduction of Pearl, pretty solid case storyline-wise, fairly important case in the grand scheme of things - weaknesses: Franziska von Karma mass whipping, Ini's "quirk" and the fact that you know she's lying but can't do anything about it for a long time, the first trial date involves so much reaching that the judge should have just declared Maya guilty 2-2 is awesome because of the ending though. I'd call the Ini/Mimi twist at the end to be the best twist of the entire series. yeah, you know something's up there and it's kind of predictable, but that doesn't change how huge the twist is. that moment, along with Ini's cross-examination - a pretty solid cross-examination, if you ask me - push 2-2 from being an average case to a really good one. oh, and if you're the sappy type, there's the Mia/Maya reunion. that's all right, I suppose. --- xyzzy http://ds.ign.com/articles/834/834194p1.html |
| Same Orphanage | Posted 11/21/2007 1:47:01 AM | message detail | #303 |
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Top 5 time. Looking forward to this. --- CB6 - 450/768; Oracle - 30th Extend congraturation to Applesauce Sign for win of contest GURU 2k7. |
| The_Lady_Ashe | Posted 11/21/2007 10:26:30 AM | message detail | #304 |
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Good thing I gave up and went to sleep, huh. <_< --- http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/3264/ladyashe1ma.png R.I.P. Chris Benoit, a true patriot. |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/22/2007 12:52:08 AM | message detail | #305 |
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what are we waiting for --- CB6 - 450/768; Oracle - 30th Extend congraturation to Applesauce Sign for win of contest GURU 2k7. |
| The_Lady_Ashe | Posted 11/22/2007 12:56:27 AM | message detail | #306 |
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this is just a guess, but we're probably waiting for tranny. impatiently, might i add. ~~~ You must defeat SPF to stand a chance in the Guru. Explicit Content did. http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/bigboxshots/4/935614_87561_front.jpg |
| The_Lady_Ashe | Posted 11/22/2007 2:49:36 PM | message detail | #307 |
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transience more like doesn't finish projects-sience --- http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/3264/ladyashe1ma.png R.I.P. Chris Benoit, a true patriot. |
| The_Lady_Ashe | Posted 11/23/2007 11:12:45 AM | message detail | #308 |
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10/10 topic imho --- http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/3264/ladyashe1ma.png R.I.P. Chris Benoit, a true patriot. |
| Rad Link 5 | Posted 11/23/2007 11:37:22 AM | message detail | #309 |
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Oh god, 2-2? I hated Ini/Mimi, Morgan was eh, the twist was made so
obvious that it really took away from the fun of it that Phoenix seemed
to take so damn long to catch on, Franziska makes every case she's in
during that game much worse with her constant whipping and whining,
this is a really big run-on sentence, and the writing felt way off. Oh,
right, almost forgot, I hate Pearl. "Dr. Hotti" and Turner Grey made things a better I suppose, but both of them had so little screen time that they were really helpless to save the case for me. --- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police I assure you, my dear, all Ace Detectives are perfect gentlemen! |
| transience | Posted 11/23/2007 12:26:12 PM | message detail | #310 |
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that might be the worst string of opinions I've ever seen 'grats I'll get to this tonight, maybe, been busy --- xyzzy http://ds.ign.com/articles/834/834194p1.html |
| CantFaketheFunk | Posted 11/23/2007 12:26:22 PM | message detail | #311 |
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Sigh. Franziska haters make baby Jesus cry. --- Jayne [Shadow Syndicate]: Level 60 Troll Mage, Mug'Thol Level 3X Gnome Warrior, Skullcrusher |
| transience | Posted 11/24/2007 1:03:24 AM | message detail | #312 |
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okay I'm sufficiently bored time to do this --- xyzzy http://ds.ign.com/articles/834/834194p1.html |
| transience | Posted 11/24/2007 1:09:42 AM | message detail | #313 |
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#5: 1-5 there's so much good and so much bad with this case. the good: - a good plot. I always love stories that have a mysterious something that happened in the past, and SL-9 nails that pretty effectively. - some fairly fantastic cross-examinations. Angel Starr's cross-examination is pretty bad, but Marshall's is good and Gant's is great. - some good characters, notably Marshall and Gant. - Edgeworth's pretty great in this case, and the dynamics between Phoenix, Edgeworth and Gant are great. the bad: - AWFUL trigger-pointing. this is the only case in PW1 where I even entertained using a faq. as a result, it's MUCH better on a replay than it is your first time around. - some bad characters. every case has them, but Starr's annoying lunchbox thing along with Meekins's horn make me want to hurt somebody. and then there's the blue badger song augh stop it - THAT GOD DAMN VASE AUGH - I'm really not that into the touch-screen stuff. fingerprinting and blowing is pretty useless and not fun, putting the vase together I suck at and it isn't a very fun puzzle in the first place, and the spray stuff is just all right. not good, not bad. as a result, this case is really cool but also really annoying at the same time. it's got a great story and an intruiging setting, but actually playing the thing is a bit of a task. as I said, it's much better on a replay, but gets docked points because I still have to FAQ it up during the last investigation day because I always seem to miss something that's not all that obvious. :) --- xyzzy http://ds.ign.com/articles/834/834194p1.html |
| Go 2 | Posted 11/24/2007 1:19:06 AM | message detail | #314 |
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AWFUL trigger-pointing. this is the only case in PW1 where I even
entertained using a faq. as a result, it's MUCH better on a replay than
it is your first time around. huh, i knew there was a reason i enjoyed this a lot more the second time around. god-damned trunk hitbox that was totally un-obvious, ****ing game --- Naye745 |
| transience | Posted 11/24/2007 1:19:11 AM | message detail | #315 |
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#4: 3-4 - yeah, no investigations or buildup. but when Dahlia, Edgeworth, Mia and Armando are involved, do you really need to develop anybody? - no investigation means no BS. no nonsense trigger-pointing, no crazy plot twists needed since the case is all laid in front of you. - YOUNG EDGEWORTH. my single favourite part of this case is the first time Edgeworth busts out the von Karma-esque finger wag. everything about this case, from young Edgeworth to young Mia to young Dahlia (and by now, you know what a sick, sadistic ***** she is) just gives this thing an amazing atmosphere that's pretty much untouchable except for by the top-tier cases. - Mia's in top form in this case. her and Armando together are a great team, and she's fighting like hell in ways Phoenix would be proud of. you know, if he existed at this point. - the plot is fantastic, the ending is superb. despite being a precursor to 3-5, it's got some ingenious cross-examinations, has some real difficulty to it (unlike other one-day tutorial cases), and makes you really feel for Terry (and Mia as well). the only flaw you can really pull out at 3-4 is that there's not more to it, and even that's cool because you have all the development and interest you need with these characters. it's as good as you can get for a one-day trial where you know what's going to happen at the end. --- xyzzy http://ds.ign.com/articles/834/834194p1.html |
| The_Lady_Ashe | Posted 11/24/2007 1:19:39 AM | message detail | #316 |
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both 1-5 and 3-4 > 1-4 imho ~~~ You must defeat SPF to stand a chance in the Guru. Explicit Content did. http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/bigboxshots/4/935614_87561_front.jpg |
| transience | Posted 11/24/2007 1:19:43 AM | message detail | #317 |
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huh, i knew there was a reason i enjoyed this a lot more the second
time around. god-damned trunk hitbox that was totally un-obvious,
****ing game I *still* missed this my second time through --- xyzzy http://ds.ign.com/articles/834/834194p1.html |
| transience | Posted 11/24/2007 1:20:25 AM | message detail | #318 |
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Hotel Dusk is a hundred times worse with trigger pointing though augh --- xyzzy http://ds.ign.com/articles/834/834194p1.html |
| Go 2 | Posted 11/24/2007 1:22:03 AM | message detail | #319 |
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i only used an FAQ for hotel dusk 3 times, and two times i really
should have gotten it regardless (once was the 2-switch thing, which i
couldn't get to work despite doing it right, and another was a
"cut-scene" trigger in missed). the chalk was bull****, though. nobody
in their damned mind is going to get that --- Naye745 |
| transience | Posted 11/24/2007 1:23:03 AM | message detail | #320 |
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I needed help probably 5 or 6. I just don't like wandering around that
tiny hotel walking back and forth trying to figure out what itty bitty
point I had to trigger. that game is flawed as hell but still fun. dunno if I could ever replay it though --- xyzzy http://ds.ign.com/articles/834/834194p1.html |
| The_Lady_Ashe | Posted 11/24/2007 1:23:29 AM | message detail | #321 |
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hey hotel dusk that's a game i need to play at some point. naye, tell me a bit about it. D: ~~~ You must defeat SPF to stand a chance in the Guru. Explicit Content did. http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/bigboxshots/4/935614_87561_front.jpg |
| ZFS | Posted 11/24/2007 1:23:56 AM | message detail | #322 |
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- THAT GOD DAMN VASE AUGH One more reason to hate that badger! --- "I slew your king. I slew your country. Do these deeds not demand vengeance?" |
| transience | Posted 11/24/2007 1:24:03 AM | message detail | #323 |
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play it, it's short and sweet I wrote a short review about it that sums up its pros and cons pretty well, I think --- xyzzy http://ds.ign.com/articles/834/834194p1.html |
| The_Lady_Ashe | Posted 11/24/2007 1:25:51 AM | message detail | #324 |
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| transience | Posted 11/24/2007 1:26:20 AM | message detail | #325 |
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I got bored at 5am one day --- xyzzy http://ds.ign.com/articles/834/834194p1.html |
| The Destoyer | Posted 11/24/2007 1:26:28 AM | message detail | #326 |
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crap the what --- DROP THE R AND BACK AWAY! |
| transience | Posted 11/24/2007 1:40:10 AM | message detail | #327 |
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#3: 3-5 I'm not even sure where to start here.. - easily the most epic case in PW history. it's got EVERYTHING -- Edgeworth, Godot, Phoenix, Fran, Larry, two judges and seven Feys. - the best part, of course, is psycholocking with Edgeworth. best cameo ever. - so many memorable moments, from Edgeworth vs. Franziska to the fantastic Bikini cross-examination to Dahlia being unmasked to Mia's verbal *****-slap to Maya's collapse to Godot's confession to the red tears. all awesome stuff. - if you had to end the PW series, this is a great way to go out. this case is really emotional and draining, and really knocks you off your feet. but when you think about this case, it falls short of the other two big finales for a number of slightly annoying reasons: - the murder, for starters. the whole swinging-the-body thing is a bit too 2-3ish for my tastes, and I didn't like that at all. - it seems to me that they tried to pack everybody into the case that they could and as a result it feels a bit too jumbled. Franziska has just about no place in this case and Edgeworth's cameo, as awesome as it is, only has one purpose: to stop you from wondering where Godot is on day 1. Larry seems out of place here, too. the story just isn't as tight when you've only got one true new character: Bikini. - Godot's motives, I never liked them. he also gives up entirely too easily, and while it makes sense story-wise, I would have liked some resistance. - I already addressed this earlier in the topic, but the way they handled Misty Fey -- three games of hype, three lines of dialogue, not even acknowledging Maya's presence -- irks me to no end. - Maya is completely out of character. despite the fact that her mother is gone, she stays rational and clings to defend Godot even at the last second. 2-4 had a much better sense of urgency, I thought. - IrisxPhoenix ending is something born out of crappy fanfiction writers and augh this case is epic, amazing, wild - basically, everything you could ask for. and it's really, really good. but there's so much going on that it comes up just short of the two other cases that are equally amazing and feel better storyline-wise. --- xyzzy http://ds.ign.com/articles/834/834194p1.html |
| The_Lady_Ashe | Posted 11/24/2007 1:43:08 AM | message detail | #328 |
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plus maya should have died did you know that ~~~ You must defeat SPF to stand a chance in the Guru. Explicit Content did. http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/bigboxshots/4/935614_87561_front.jpg |
| transience | Posted 11/24/2007 1:43:49 AM | message detail | #329 |
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nah that's 2-4 --- xyzzy http://ds.ign.com/articles/834/834194p1.html |
| The_Lady_Ashe | Posted 11/24/2007 1:43:55 AM | message detail | #330 |
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Two of the cases are one-day trials, but the other three are
full-blown cases that will take you a full day of playing to finish at
the very least. Wrong. And you might want to change it so that you don't hate on typos that no longer exist. yes i read all of your reviews so what ~~~ You must defeat SPF to stand a chance in the Guru. Explicit Content did. http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/bigboxshots/4/935614_87561_front.jpg |
| transience | Posted 11/24/2007 1:45:37 AM | message detail | #331 |
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well sure, if you play for like 10 hours straight then you can finish 3-2 in a night I tend to, like, go to work and sleep and stuff --- xyzzy http://ds.ign.com/articles/834/834194p1.html |
| The_Lady_Ashe | Posted 11/24/2007 1:46:51 AM | message detail | #332 |
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hey tranny what time is it what are you doing right now ~~~ You must defeat SPF to stand a chance in the Guru. Explicit Content did. http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/bigboxshots/4/935614_87561_front.jpg |
| transience | Posted 11/24/2007 1:47:48 AM | message detail | #333 |
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pfft, what time I sleep has nothing to do with how much I sleep I got up at 9pm today --- xyzzy http://ds.ign.com/articles/834/834194p1.html |
| transience | Posted 11/24/2007 1:56:04 AM | message detail | #334 |
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#2: 2-4 - the tightest story and the most emotional case. from the second the murder is committed, there's a sense of urgency to this case that no other case has. the one-day trial, the Shelly de Killer/Phoenix conversations that are always intense, the final day trial where you're fighting like hell to prolong the trial in hopes of finding Maya.. it's far and above what 3-5 has to offer as far as intensity goes. - the characters have no real quirks and aren't one-dimensional at all. Adrian's one of the deepest witnesses you'll find, you can never really tell what's up with Engarde until you-know-what, there's no Franziska whipping you to hell in court. it's just all-around good. - 2-4 Edgeworth's as good as a character in PW gets. 2-4 Gumshoe is also the best Gumshoe. - Engarde's heel turn is completely awesome, as is AS ALWAYS, THE DEFENSE PLEADS NOT GUILTY! it's tough to outrank that moment. - the only "problem" I have with 2-4 is that it's not as satisfying because you don't really get to cross-examine Engarde. you sorta get to cross-examine Shelly de Killer, but the whole cross-examining a phone thing makes it less impactful. by the end of the trial you just want to rip Engarde's head off, and you never really get to crush him the way you want. you only get that one moment, awesome as it is. for that reason, I rank it *slightly* below 1-4. --- xyzzy http://ds.ign.com/articles/834/834194p1.html |
| Go 2 | Posted 11/24/2007 2:00:43 AM | message detail | #335 |
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undoubtedly the best case ever :D --- Naye745 |
| The_Lady_Ashe | Posted 11/24/2007 2:01:14 AM | message detail | #336 |
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I'm tired so I have nothing meaningful to say. And now I go to sleep before your #1 case makes me throw up. <_< Yay Adrian, though. I need to replay 2-4. =/ ~~~ You must defeat SPF to stand a chance in the Guru. Explicit Content did. http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/bigboxshots/4/935614_87561_front.jpg |
| transience | Posted 11/24/2007 2:08:21 AM | message detail | #337 |
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#1: 1-4 too many awesome moments to count. - von Karma is just a legendary villain. the first time I played this case, I thought he was annoying as hell because he wouldn't let me work with all his objections. it's much better a second time through, and that's pretty impressive since I thought it was great the first time. I mean, he flat out gets a guilty verdict that is only saved by Maya's outburst (Maya's best moment, by the way). - along with the Maya outburst, you've got the entire day 3 trial: Polly's cross-examination (funniest moment in PW history), Yogi's confession, Edgeworth's confession, the new trial and, of course, the metal detector. there is nothing in PW that even approaches the awesomeness of presenting the metal detector. von Karma does not so much as sweat until you present that thing. he's intimidating and, in a word, perfect. taking his down is EASILY the most satisfying thing I can think of -- moreso than Engarde's exploding head, moreso than Godot's tears, moreso than any plot twist imaginable. it's just so damn satisfying. - and that's why I like 1-4 so much: you've got a main character as your witness. you've got a disgusting man that's awesome to hate as your antagonist. you've got what I think is the best Phoenix -- complete confidence in his client's innocence despite Edgeworth's confession. you've got DL-6, which is fantastic plot-wise. everything converges on that last trial date, and it's just amazing. --- xyzzy http://ds.ign.com/articles/834/834194p1.html |
| Gaddswell | Posted 11/24/2007 2:34:21 AM | message detail | #338 |
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Ohh, you just finished your write ups! So, who wins between Kleenex and Destroyer? --- Who the hell do you think you are getting off being so egotistical like that? - hochiminh155 http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/unown_pnoi/brawlhypeclubheader.jpg |
| transience | Posted 11/24/2007 2:46:53 AM | message detail | #339 |
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dunno, Destoyer nailed the top five I think Kleenex nailed the bottom five and was closer on the top than Destoyer on the bottom --- xyzzy http://ds.ign.com/articles/834/834194p1.html |
| The Destoyer | Posted 11/24/2007 2:49:41 AM | message detail | #340 |
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i just checked and unkleenex won 5 to 6 =( --- DROP THE R AND BACK AWAY! |
| Go 2 | Posted 11/24/2007 2:52:59 AM | message detail | #341 |
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i got the top 6 gimme props --- Naye745 |
| The Destoyer | Posted 11/24/2007 2:55:10 AM | message detail | #342 |
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I SMELL AN EPIC THREE-WAY RIVALRY --- DROP THE R AND BACK AWAY! |
| The_Lady_Ashe | Posted 11/24/2007 11:38:06 AM | message detail | #343 |
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Boo. ~~~ You must defeat SPF to stand a chance in the Guru. Explicit Content did. http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/bigboxshots/4/935614_87561_front.jpg |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/24/2007 1:09:41 PM | message detail | #344 |
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Ha, I had a feeling 1-5 was going to drop down to the 5th spot. Oh well. Gonna replay 1-4 and 2-4 soon, so we'll see what think of those after a second time through. --- CB6 - 450/768; Oracle - 30th Extend congraturation to Applesauce Sign for win of contest GURU 2k7. |
| _Harmonica_ | Posted 11/24/2007 1:32:55 PM | message detail | #345 |
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yeah I loved Miles von Karma too. Solid rankings IMHO --- Guru champion Explicit Content was prepared for unforeseen consequences. |
| transience | Posted 11/25/2007 6:00:34 AM | message detail | #346 |
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aw yeah --- xyzzy http://ds.ign.com/articles/834/834194p1.html |
| trannyscience | Posted 11/26/2007 10:24:52 PM | message detail | #347 |
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--- "Girls with braces make me hot." -ragnorok17 |
| BenuNeko | Posted 11/26/2007 10:41:53 PM | message detail | #348 |
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From transience Posted 11/18/2007 12:27:19 AM 34. Ron Delite - a bigtime emo kid - really, I'm not sure why this guy is likable.. but he is - how the hell is this guy Mask*Demasque - how the hell did he get a job in security - what the hell How the hell did he get such a hot wife? WTF? --- Bringin' back the WAAAAMbulance. | I voted for L-Block. IF YOU ARE NOT A CARTOON, STOVE GAS WILL KILL YOU. |
| trannyscience | Posted 11/26/2007 10:43:26 PM | message detail | #349 |
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those ninja security guard skills, apparently --- "Girls with braces make me hot." -ragnorok17 |
| HanOfTheNekos | Posted 11/26/2007 10:44:20 PM | message detail | #350 |
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Wow... I may be really late for this but... [rippin' Naye off zone] I started my top chars list before he did... but to be fair, i only went for 25, and didn't even get close to completing it... --- Explicit Content won the Guru Contest. Grats. Han, the cream of Ema Skye fanboyism. |
