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I rank every Phoenix Wright character, with small writeups. (uh spoilers)

trannyscience | Posted 11/26/2007 10:45:31 PM | message detail | #351
yeah you did like 4 characters in 5 weeks

that's why you get no mention
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BenuNeko | Posted 11/26/2007 10:47:09 PM | message detail | #352
From transience Posted 11/18/2007 1:44:51 AM
5 - Manfred von Karma

- the first time I played 1-4, I hated von Karma. he was annoying, he objected at everything, he was just a huge nuisance.
- replaying it, though? he's the greatest lawyer the game has ever seen. you could fuse Phoenix, Edgeworth and Franziska and you still wouldn't be able to touch von Karma. he is absolutely perfect, right down to the point where it seems like he's won the case even without any real evidence.
- von Karma puts the fear of god into Phoenix moreso than any other prosecutor. he basically won a Guilty sentence, and useless Maya of all people was the only thing keeping Edgeworth alive. he's just a perfect lawyer. he doesn't even so much as sweat until you present the metal detector.
- as a "last boss", von Karma is absolutely perfect. there's nothing more thrilling than taking this guy down in Phoenix Wright -- no, in gaming period. I don't particularly like the guy, but as far as an antagonist goes, no one's close in the PW series.


Also, his satanic objection and the head-banging. Oh, the head banging.
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trannyscience | Posted 11/27/2007 11:03:38 PM | message detail | #353
should I do a top 10 moments list [Y/N]
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The Destoyer | Posted 11/27/2007 11:06:09 PM | message detail | #354
y
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/27/2007 11:09:35 PM | message detail | #355
y
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trannyscience | Posted 11/27/2007 11:16:22 PM | message detail | #356
i will need horribly wrong predictions of course
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/27/2007 11:16:47 PM | message detail | #357
destoyer goes first
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The Destoyer | Posted 11/27/2007 11:17:24 PM | message detail | #358
oh god i don't even know where to start
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trannyscience | Posted 11/27/2007 11:18:04 PM | message detail | #359
don't worry, I have no idea what my list would even look like
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/27/2007 11:20:02 PM | message detail | #360
1 - introduction of redd white
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trannyscience | Posted 11/27/2007 11:20:43 PM | message detail | #361
augh

#14 - case 1-2

lol redd white
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/27/2007 11:22:15 PM | message detail | #362
I can think of a few moments that are going to be on here for sure, but it's kinda hard to classify a "moment", which is what makes this so hard.
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The Destoyer | Posted 11/27/2007 11:22:22 PM | message detail | #363
actually, it isn't too hard to know where to start what with you saying things like "TOP FIVE MOMENT RIGHT HERE" in your character/case write-ups >_>
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trannyscience | Posted 11/27/2007 11:25:26 PM | message detail | #364
yeah I said that like 8 times
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/27/2007 11:40:51 PM | message detail | #365
Let's just throw some stuff out there, though...


As always, the defense pleads NOT GUILTY
Hold on, dude. I need to take this call. *hair flip* *gravy*
Indeed! Verily, I say... Ergo!
Gumshoe saves the day in 1-3: aw yeah
Something von Karma related...uh...takedown/headbang?
Edgeworth von Karma
Miles Edgeworth: Ace Attorney
Ini-Mimi-Miney-Mo
3-5-4-2
Furio cross-examination

PW3 overload aw yeah. Not going to bother ranking these, just posting 10.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/27/2007 11:47:51 PM | message detail | #366
I think Destoyerface is scared.
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The Destoyer | Posted 11/27/2007 11:54:47 PM | message detail | #367
i think unkleenex is insecure with his list

AS ALWAYS THE DEFENSE PLEADS NOT GUILTY
engarde's heelturn
Ini/Mimi Twist
Edgeworth's saves you in 1-3
Miles von Karma
Phoenix presenting the metal detector/what follows etc
Edgeworth vs. Franziska
Taking Down Dahlia/stuff surrounding it maybe ("mia's verbal ****-slap", Godot's red tears)
Maya's outburst in 1-4
gumshoe saving you in 1-3
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/27/2007 11:57:51 PM | message detail | #368
oh wow way to totally copy my list except for one
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The Destoyer | Posted 11/27/2007 11:59:05 PM | message detail | #369
yeah i had that c+p'd into notepad like half an hour ago except for like one of those
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The Destoyer | Posted 11/27/2007 11:59:40 PM | message detail | #370
because we both totally didn't just go and ctrl + f: moment in this topic or anything crazy like that

yup
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/28/2007 12:00:59 AM | message detail | #371
actually, i built mine off of deep, through-provoking conversations i've had with tranny about phoenix wright
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Eggplant Lord | Posted 11/28/2007 12:01:36 AM | message detail | #372
I loved "psycholocking."

"W-what?! This must be one of those 'psycholocks' Wright was muttering about."

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*watches*
o_o
The Destoyer | Posted 11/28/2007 12:03:11 AM | message detail | #373
oh
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Cybat | Posted 11/28/2007 11:56:57 AM | message detail | #374
polly
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The Destoyer | Posted 11/29/2007 7:43:52 PM | message detail | #375
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trannyscience | Posted 12/1/2007 2:28:43 AM | message detail | #376
feelin' lazy lately
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IT JUST MAKES ME SO GOD DAM MAD WHEN PEOPLE SAY THERE SHARKS IN THE GAME
The Destoyer | Posted 12/1/2007 7:18:47 PM | message detail | #377
augh
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The Destoyer | Posted 12/2/2007 4:22:00 PM | message detail | #378
augh
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Mr Lasastryke | Posted 12/4/2007 1:32:25 AM | message detail | #379
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The Destoyer | Posted 12/4/2007 1:32:52 AM | message detail | #380
i thought i bumped this today. weird
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PumpkinCoach | Posted 12/4/2007 1:37:51 AM | message detail | #381
you're both missing the parrot
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The Destoyer | Posted 12/4/2007 6:34:24 PM | message detail | #382
augh
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trannyscience | Posted 12/4/2007 6:34:52 PM | message detail | #383
I should, like, make this list

then consider writing about it
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IT JUST MAKES ME SO GOD DAM MAD WHEN PEOPLE SAY THERE SHARKS IN THE GAME
transience | Posted 12/5/2007 1:25:21 AM | message detail | #384
okay, doing some list research (ie playing cases real quick)

then I'll make the list and hopefully do it soon
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The Destoyer | Posted 12/6/2007 6:41:22 PM | message detail | #385
woo
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transience | Posted 12/8/2007 12:05:16 AM | message detail | #386
I was gonna do this today but I had to get Destoyer back by not doing it

...tomorrow, maybe!
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The Destoyer | Posted 12/8/2007 10:18:21 PM | message detail | #387
augh
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transience | Posted 12/9/2007 2:34:38 AM | message detail | #388
this list is awful

#10: G U I L T Y

"If I can't say anything, what can I do?"

this is the closest Phoenix Wright has ever been to losing a case. Manfred von Karma's perfectly prepared witnesses were enough to hand Phoenix his first loss.


HOLD IT!

"Lotta Hart! Your testimony stinks! It's unclear whether you were actually looking at the lake! It's highly doubtful that you actually saw Mr. Edgeworth! Tell us the truth! This is a matter of life or death! Did you really clearly see Mr. Edgeworth that night!? Did you see him fire that pistol!?"

"You will stand down!"

"Answer me, Lotta!"

"What's the big idea, treating me like some kind of criminal!? I saw him! I swear it! I saw Edgeworth..."

"N-Nick! There must be something we can do!"

"The cross-examination is over already!"

"B-but... but didn't Lotta just say she saw him? She did, Nick! She just said that she saw Mr. Edgeworth! She didn't say that in her testimony, did she?

". . .! Y-you're right!"


Maya Fey is useless. everyone knows this. Phoenix has saved her life not once, not twice, not thrice, but four times.

but man, what a time to pay him back.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 12/9/2007 2:36:27 AM | message detail | #389
crap, destoyer is going to win
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The Destoyer | Posted 12/9/2007 2:36:55 AM | message detail | #390
hell yeah
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transience | Posted 12/9/2007 2:40:38 AM | message detail | #391
#9: "N-no! Stop the trial! Your honor! We need a recess!

terry: th-that's enough.. please..

judge: w-witness?

terry: i-i promised her... 5 years ago...
if it ever happens...
...that we can't trust each other no more... then...
we're.. supposed to... drink... bottle.. ugh...

edgeworth: n-no! stop the trial! your honor! we need a recess!

terry: i... i was stupid.. couldn't... keep... promise...
so i did it... i.. drank... this...

mia: no! we are so close! just a little more...
i was going to prove your innocence!

terry: no... don't want that... don't... trust. self...
maybe kill again.. kill sweet dahlia... again...

mia: mr. fawles!

terry: mr. ar... armando...
th-thanks... for the... coffee..

*collapse*

mia: mr. faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawles!!!

mia: and so my firstr trial ended... suddenly, and tragically.
it ended with no winners... only losers.
i ended up with a wound that cut so deep into my soul, i thought it'd never heal.
i'm sure it was the same for the young prosecutor as well.
but one person...
the true criminal, dahlia hawthorne...
she left the courtroom with a secret smile on her demonically sweet face.

armando: unforgivable... that witch...

mia: m-mr. armando...

armando: we were so close to the truth. it was right there, in front of us.
you were just a little too soft, kitten...

mia: it's my fault! it's all my fault that mr. fawles killed himself!

armando: don't cry, kitten. you're going to make my coffee all salty.

mia: i-i knew it...! i kn-knew i wasn't cut out for this..!

armando: .......

*cut godot's theme*

mia...

mia: ...!

armando: don't you get it? you can't cry yet.

*smashes coffee cup with hands*

the only time a lawyer can cry is when it's all over.

mia: m-mr. armando...


not much to say here -- just a fantastic end to a fantastic trial, even if it is a short one. you knew it wasn't going to end well, but damn.
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transience | Posted 12/9/2007 2:49:15 AM | message detail | #392
#8: "And here I was, trying to be a good boy for you, dude.""

"Hold on a sec. I'm gonna consult myself, OK?"

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1vsrW8UR9xo

it's so over the top. the random scars on his face, the out-of-nowhere.. whatever the hell he's shaking, the glass of wine or whatever. the huge personality change. the smarter thing would have been to deny it.

it's a pretty huge moment though -- for the first time, it's out in the open. you're defending a guilty client. within about four seconds and a couple wiggles of the hand, Engarde goes from an annoying, clueless defendent to ohhhhh crap. it's a pretty awesome transformation, and from that second on, you can't put case 2-4 down. you want to strangle Matt Engarde, maybe more than any other character in the PWverse.
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The Destoyer | Posted 12/9/2007 2:54:13 AM | message detail | #393
hey kleenex looks like i'm winning what now
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transience | Posted 12/9/2007 2:55:02 AM | message detail | #394
i think you guys care less about my list and more about your little prediction rivalry

i'd probably be the same way
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The Destoyer | Posted 12/9/2007 2:56:31 AM | message detail | #395
pretty much yeah

I still like reading your lists though!
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 12/9/2007 2:58:42 AM | message detail | #396
i've already list this one

the only difference between our lists was #10

he had it and i didn't

he cheated
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 12/9/2007 2:59:02 AM | message detail | #397
more like lost this one

lol freudian slip
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transience | Posted 12/9/2007 3:01:05 AM | message detail | #398
#7: "The only time a lawyer can cry is when it's all over."

Godot: I was the one that failed to protect Mia... ...Me and no one else. I tried to avert my eyes from the truth... to escape from the harshness of reality. I just couldn't face Mia's death head on, so I ran! I hid behind a mask. I threw away my true name. I couldn't even deal with being a defense attorney anymore, so I quit.

Phoenix: But, but! You saved Maya!

Godot: Yeah. That was my plan... Up until just now, anyway.

Maya: Wh-what do you mean?

Godot: (drinks) Are you listening, Maya? If I had really wanted to save you... ...then there's one person that I should have gone and talked to right away.

Maya: Wh-who do you mean? Are you talking about Nick?

Godot: But I didn't do it... I tried to get the help of Iris and your mother... I closed my eyes to the most important man involved. Do you know why? The real reason?

Maya: No... Why?

Godot: I suppose... I wasn't really interested in saving you at all.

Maya: Huh?

Godot: I think I was just trying to salvage what's left of my own broken soul... I was trying to make up for the fact that I couldn't save Mia. Nothing more. That's why I let you walk right into a situation that I knew was dangerous. Forgive me...

Phoenix: Y-You're wrong! You put your life on the line to save Maya!

Godot: *shakes his head* Was it really for Maya's sake...? Even I'm not really sure.

Judge: Wh-What do you mean by that...?

Godot: That night, in the darkness of the garden, when I saw her silhouette...a part of me must have known it... That it wasn't really Dahlia Hawthorne that was standing there in front of me.

Maya: ...!

Godot: It could have been Misty Fey... Or even that little girl. But still, I picked up that blade as though I were in a dream! I'm not sure exactly what was going on in my mind at that point... Was I really motivated by a pure desire to protect Maya Fey? Or was it something else...? Was it hatred for a woman who had stolen everything from me 6 years earlier...? Could it have been simply a desire for revenge? And now, I don't know anything anymore! I did learn something today, however. I finally realized that I was the arrogant one. I was just... chasing an illusion, a fantasy. The stupid fantasy of defeating you in the courtroom...

Phoenix: ...

Godot: You were the one who taught me that. You never ran away from Mia's death. Instead, you picked up where she left off, as a true defender of the people. In that one moment... I understood everything!

Phoenix: Mr. Godot...

Godot: *shakes his head* If you don't mind... I hope you'll remember... My name is... Diego Armando.

Maya: M-Mr. Armando! I believe in you! I know you were trying to save me!

Godot: (blood seeps out from under his visor) Hmm... Thanks.

Phoenix: Y-Your wound...! It's bleeding!

Godot: ...Ha! Did you forget already? In my world, the color red doesn't exist.

Phoenix: ...!

Godot: These must be... my tears.

Judge: Tears...?

Godot: Ever since I woke up from my coma... ...I think I've been waiting for this very moment.

Maya: M-Mr. Armando...

Godot: You'd do well to remember this, Maya. The only time a lawyer can cry is when it's all over.


I give Godot a lot of crap, but his final scene is a pretty cool way to go out. the storyline kinda sucks and several characters are out of character here, but the emotional impact is definitely up there, about as high as any scene in PW.
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Naye745 | Posted 12/9/2007 3:12:31 AM | message detail | #399
#9 should be higher. >_>
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The Destoyer | Posted 12/9/2007 3:15:12 AM | message detail | #400
lol kleenex
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