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I rank every Phoenix Wright character, with small writeups. (uh spoilers)
| transience | Posted 12/9/2007 3:24:06 AM | message detail | #401 |
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#6: "This feels pretty good. Now I know why Wright gets that stupid look on his face." Edgeworth's quote is paraphrased, I can't find it anywhere. it pretty much defines what makes the greatest cameo ever -- getting a new look at the guy who might just be the most popular character to hardcore PW fans. from "psycholocks" to Edgeworth's hilarious "TAKE THAT" to his epic battle against Franziska, Edgeworth's cameo is so good that it's easy to forget that it's blatant fanservice. I mean, it serves utterly no purpose besides taking the attention off Godot not being around on the first trial date. and yet no one cares, because the cameo is just that awesome. --- xyzzy |
| HeroicEdgeworth | Posted 12/9/2007 3:29:23 AM | message detail | #402 |
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It's not a bad feeling at all, exposing contradictions like this... Now
I understand that happy look on Wright's face every time he does it... --- The "Psycholocks"! "If something glares at you, it's only polite to return the favor," is what I was taught. |
| transience | Posted 12/9/2007 3:30:49 AM | message detail | #403 |
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thank you. :) --- xyzzy |
| The Destoyer | Posted 12/9/2007 3:31:25 AM | message detail | #404 |
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my favorite line is either when edgeworth says something like "is EVERY trial like this for wright?" or when he sees Larry with five locks, "Noooooooooooo! Screw this i'll figure it out in court" --- DROP THE R AND BACK AWAY! |
| transience | Posted 12/9/2007 3:32:14 AM | message detail | #405 |
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I wish I could say that with half of the psych locks --- xyzzy |
| CantFaketheFunk | Posted 12/9/2007 3:33:45 AM | message detail | #406 |
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"I had expected to face Phoenix Wright. ...but now, standing here, looking at you... I can't help but think that this was what I had really wanted all along. Miles Edgeworth! I shall not let this chance to defeat you slip through my fingers!" --- Jayne [Shadow Syndicate]: Level 60 Troll Mage, Mug'Thol Level 3X Gnome Warrior, Skullcrusher |
| HeroicEdgeworth | Posted 12/9/2007 11:18:08 AM | message detail | #407 |
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*shakes head* A shame that your chance seems to have slipped by you, Ms. von Karma. --- The "Psycholocks"! "If something glares at you, it's only polite to return the favor," is what I was taught. |
| transience | Posted 12/9/2007 1:14:52 PM | message detail | #408 |
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#5: I... appreciate the concern, Your Honor. I will stand by my statement, however, regardless of how the court sees my role here. Phoenix: (Damn... damn! To come so far, only to fail...) Judge: As it seems there are no further questions... I would like to end the cross-examination of the witness, Ms. Vasquez. Phoenix Wright is screwed. Dee Vasquez has put up a wall, and while she seems guilty, there's nothing directly linking her. OBJECTION! Judge: Yes, Mr. Edgeworth? Edgeworth: I was hoping to come up with a question while I was objecting, Your Honor... I didn't. Judge: I see... Very well. ...okay, so it doesn't start out so well. OBJECTION! Edgeworth: Your Honor! I request that the witness testify again! Vasquez: You are the prosecutor, are you not? Why are you badgering me? I'm your witness! Edgeworth: I... I just want to hear your testimony again. Vasquez: Does this make any sense to you, Your Honor? I don't see that we have anything to gain by repeating the last several minutes. Judge: Mr. Edgeworth... I, too, see little point in making Ms. Vasquez repeat herself. What exactly did you want her to testify about? Edgeworth: Mmmph! Well, yes, um... Indeed! Verily, I say...Ergo! I want to hear about what happened... after they found the body! Judge: After they found the body...? Very well. Maya: Why did Edgeworth...? Phoenix: Who knows? He probably realized she did it, too. Maya: But... but! Wasn't he the one that said he always gets a guilty verdict...? After all that... Phoenix: (Edgeworth...) Miles Edgeworth, the supervillain of game 1 up to this point.. coming to Phoenix's aid? and he wasn't done. Vasquez: I went back to the trailer to get my script and direction notes. Phoenix: Wait a second! I thought you came to Studio One for a rehearsal! Why didn't you bring your script and notes!? Vasquez: Well, I was under the impression that we wouldn't be able to rehearse anything. There was a murder, after all! Who could think of rehearsing after that! Judge: Very well. Ms. Vasquez, please continue... OBJECTION! Edgeworth: Your Honor!!! I have an objection to the witness's last statement! Phoenix: (Huh...!?) Edgeworth: Think! Ms. Vasquez said she didn't bring the script because there wouldn't be a rehearsal. Don't you see what that means? She would have had to know about the murder before going to Studio One! Vasquez: ...! Judge: Order! Order! Mr. Edgeworth! What you have just said... is a reasonable observation. However, I find it hard to understand why the prosecution would make such a move! Or are you thinking of a career change to defense!? Edgeworth: I... appreciate the concern, Your Honor. I will stand by my statement, however, regardless of how the court sees my role here. Now, Ms. Vasquez... Do you have an explanation? and just like that, Edgeworth goes from antagonist to the deepest character in the series. you never know what he's going to do, how he's going to behave in court, who's side he's on. and the game is a mile better because of it. Phoenix and Edgeworth tag-teaming Vasquez is one of the greatest cross-examinations ever, and brings 1-3 from mediocre levels to being a pretty good case. --- xyzzy |
| Eeeevil Overlord | Posted 12/9/2007 1:25:54 PM | message detail | #409 |
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#8 is 7 spots too low and you know it ;_;. That said, good write-ups. The whole topic's been great fun to read. --- James - Board 8's Resident Warm And Safe, Slipper-Wearing User & The Cream Of Porcupine Tree Fanboyism |
| transience | Posted 12/9/2007 1:36:13 PM | message detail | #410 |
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#4: "..." "Hello, Hello!" *squawk* best. testimony. ever. though while it's the funniest moment in PW, it's not all comedy. it also shows a.) how desperate Phoenix is to prove Edgeworth's innocence, and b.) how insane von Karma is. Phoenix: (Think! von Karma is a perfectionist in all things. He's probably rigged every piece of evidence and all the testimonies... If I can't do the unexpected I've no chance of winning!) Maya: Um, Polly? Have we forgotten something? Polly: "..." "..." "Hello! Hello!" *squawk* Maya: ...! Th-that's not what you're supposed to say! Forgot! Something we forgot! Polly: "Hello! Hello!" *squawk* Maya: Uh oh. It's not working, Nick! She won't say it! Phoenix: (This is ridiculous! Why won't she say it!?) Karma: Tsk tsk tsk... Something the matter, Mr. Wright? Phoenix: (Wait...Don't tell me von Karma expected this! He couldn't have retrained the parrot... could he!? Did he train her not to respond when we asked if we'd forgotten anything!?) this pretty much sums up Phoenix's desperation, von Karma's perfection, and why I love 1-4. hilarious testimony, awesome Phoenix vs. von Karma action, cross-examining a parrot. --- xyzzy |
| _Harmonica_ | Posted 12/9/2007 2:06:51 PM | message detail | #411 |
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woo Engarde For some reason, I find the "consult myself" line kinda creepy. --- Guru champion Explicit Content was prepared for unforeseen consequences. |
| XIII_rocks | Posted 12/9/2007 2:43:47 PM | message detail | #412 |
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Von Karma is objectively top 3, so he's definitely too low, but otherwise, good list from the characters I know. --- How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? Explicit Content beat me. |
| Janus5000 | Posted 12/9/2007 3:21:29 PM | message detail | #413 |
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whoa this topic has non-character writeups now awesome top 3 predix: 3. Bang your head / Metal health will drive you mad 2. Ini-Mimi-Miney-whoa 1. I SAW A BROKEN KNIFE AND THE BLUE BADGER --- This person has been rated 'owned' due to Explicit Content. |
| transience | Posted 12/9/2007 11:56:38 PM | message detail | #414 |
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#3: "Ini or Mimi -- who was driving that night?" anybody that sat there and thought about the case could have figured this out. it's telegraphed -- you don't toss out the words "facial reconstruction surgery" at random. you *knew* something was up, and if you thought hard enough, you can figure this out. I've heard some people say that this scene isn't that good because it's "obvious". they're full of crap. yeah, you knew something like this was coming. yeah, Ini Mimey isn't the most likable character. but damn, to actually see them go for something this crazy? this is the first real "hoooooooooooly crap" plot twist for me in PW. 1-4 and 1-5's twists weren't really crazy to me, just awesome and a lot of fun. Ini Mimi Miney Mo is wild and always brings a smile to my face. plus, I *really* like the Ini cross-examination. 2-2 is wrought with a little bit too much "um, like yeah" and a lot too much whip, but that last trial date puts it up there for me. I really love cross-examining Ini and the plot twist is just so good. --- xyzzy "Until you reveal yourself to be even durango-calibur, there's no point in even bringing my Z-game." -semifinal |
| Naye745 | Posted 12/10/2007 12:00:39 AM | message detail | #415 |
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2-2 is underrated; the murder set-up is clever, the ini/mimi twist is
great, pearl is absolutely adorable, and franny getting defeated is
quite satisfying. top 7 case imho :O --- Explicit Content busted my crank and left skid marks on my soul in the Guru Contest. |
| swirIdude | Posted 12/10/2007 12:01:59 AM | message detail | #416 |
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Jean Armstrong has the best writeup EVER --- At least you don't have death perception. Then you'd have to fight vampires and stuff. ~paperwarrior National Shoddy Battle League: 2-2 |
| transience | Posted 12/10/2007 12:01:59 AM | message detail | #417 |
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yup. top 6, even. :) --- xyzzy "Until you reveal yourself to be even durango-calibur, there's no point in even bringing my Z-game." -semifinal |
| Eggplant Lord | Posted 12/10/2007 12:07:14 AM | message detail | #418 |
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I think 2-2 and 1-3 are the most underrated cases <_< 2-4 is the most overrated (strong characters, but little else), and I also get the impression that 1-2 is overrated, but that may be just because of a few vocal individuals. --- New computer, new sig. That's just how it works. |
| transience | Posted 12/10/2007 12:10:27 AM | message detail | #419 |
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I'd call 2-4 the best case objectively -- it's amazing emotionally, the
strongest characters as you mentioned, just tight all-around. the only
thing stopping me from calling it my favourite is the last trial date
of 1-4. --- xyzzy "Until you reveal yourself to be even durango-calibur, there's no point in even bringing my Z-game." -semifinal |
| Naye745 | Posted 12/10/2007 12:10:36 AM | message detail | #420 |
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3-2 is overrated by nearly everyone ever and 1-2 is overrated by most people --- Explicit Content busted my crank and left skid marks on my soul in the Guru Contest. |
| transience | Posted 12/10/2007 12:11:51 AM | message detail | #421 |
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if I had to pick a most overrated case it'd probably be 3-5, just
because it has so many holes. it takes a while to get over the
craziness of 3-5, but once you do it's less than the sum of its parts
(which, admittedly, is EVERYTHING). well, 3-2 is my most overrated case technically, but that's just because I don't like it. --- xyzzy "Until you reveal yourself to be even durango-calibur, there's no point in even bringing my Z- game." -semifinal |
| The Destoyer | Posted 12/10/2007 12:16:13 AM | message detail | #422 |
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<3 2-2 --- DROP THE R AND BACK AWAY! |
| transience | Posted 12/10/2007 12:44:41 AM | message detail | #423 |
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#2: "The defense, as always, pleads not guilty!" it's been a while since I've played 2-4, and I don't have a game script for PW2 that's finished. normally I'd quote a lot of text and show how amazing this scene is, but I'll have to do this from memory. Matt Engarde is an awful human being. von Karma is a frightening man; Dahlia Hawthorne is an evil, twisted *****. but Engarde? he's slimy, disgusting, pathetic in a way that makes me twist more than any of the others. von Karma is an arrogant man with a perfectionist streak that gets the best of him. I can understand that. Dahlia never killed without reason -- she wasn't crazy at all, just ruthless. I can understand that, too. Matt Engarde is different. he's despicable, someone who enjoys watching people suffer for no reason. he just gets off on it. more than any other criminal, I wanted to nail Matt Engarde. he needed someone to just beat the living hell out of him. I would enjoy watching that. the last trial date of 2-4 is spent tip-toeing around the law, trying to push things out as long as possible so that Gumshoe, and later Franziska can rescue Maya and get evidence to you. the dynamic between Phoenix, Edgeworth, the Judge and Adrian Andrews is fantastic, and Phoenix may just want to strangle Engarde more than any of them. after a ton of tiptoeing and dragging the trial out, he finally plays his trump card -- the videotape -- and Shelly de Killer declares that a breach of trust between him and his client will result in him hunting the man down to the ends of the earth. Engarde's face is absolutely priceless, and there's nothing more pleasing than watching him suffer. at this point, you get the choice of pleading Guilty or Not Guilty. I've never been able to resist picking the latter. "The defense, as always, pleads not guilty! cue Engarde's face. GUILTYGUILTYGUILTYGUILTYGUILTYGUILTYGUILTYGUILTYGUILTYGUILTYGUILTYGUILTYGUILTY OWNED. --- xyzzy "Until you reveal yourself to be even durango-calibur, there's no point in even bringing my Z-game." -semifinal |
| Naye745 | Posted 12/10/2007 12:55:20 AM | message detail | #424 |
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Amazing part of 2-4. I hesitate to call it the best, because there are so many great moments in 2-4, I have difficulty picking one as better than any of the others. --- Explicit Content busted my crank and left skid marks on my soul in the Guru Contest. |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 12/10/2007 1:04:36 AM | message detail | #425 |
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I actually liked the point a bit before that more, right before
Franziska enters, where Phoenix has run out of time and has to either
frame Adrian for murder or give up on Maya. "The defense, as always,
pleads not guilty!" was quite satisfying, but "I'm sorry, Maya...I
can't do it..." was probably the most emotional point in the entire
series for me. The only thing that comes close in that respect was "Mr.
Armando...thanks for...the coffee..." *crash*. --- Mustache...and green... www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Brawl.jpg |
| Janus5000 | Posted 12/10/2007 1:13:40 AM | message detail | #426 |
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Great moment. Dunno if I'd put it that high, but I can't believe I completely forgot about it. IIRC, Engarde does the same thing if you pick 'Guilty', but it's not quite as awesome. --- This person has been rated 'owned' due to Explicit Content. |
| transience | Posted 12/10/2007 1:36:55 AM | message detail | #427 |
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I actually liked the point a bit before that more, right before
Franziska enters, where Phoenix has run out of time and has to either
frame Adrian for murder or give up on Maya. "The defense, as always,
pleads not guilty!" was quite satisfying, but "I'm sorry, Maya...I
can't do it..." was probably the most emotional point in the entire
series for me. The only thing that comes close in that respect was "Mr.
Armando...thanks for...the coffee..." *crash*. it's kinda hard to pick a specific moment on that last day. and to be honest, I don't fully remember every part of the last day because so much is going on, and because it's been a while. but being able to jam anything down Engarde's throat gets my vote. --- xyzzy "Until you reveal yourself to be even durango-calibur, there's no point in even bringing my Z-game." -semifinal |
| trannifer | Posted 12/10/2007 2:38:27 AM | message detail | #428 |
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#1: *beep* *beep* *beeeeeep* Phoenix Wright's partner had to be restrained and removed from the court in order to save Miles Edgeworth from a guilty sentence. Phoenix and Maya cross-examined a freaking parrot in order to save their trial. these two acts of desperation show how close to defeat Phoenix is throughout case 1-4. Manfred von Karma? unshakable. you can't get him to do anything out of line. the man does not so much as sweat throughout the entirety of Robert Hammond's murder trial. even when Edgeworth is declared innocent, he doesn't even blink. perfection. the way a Manfred von Karma case is run. he seemingly wanted to be defeated just so he could drive the nail into Miles Edgeworth and Phoenix Wright even deeper by bringing Edgeworth up on charges of DL-6. Edgeworth confesses, von Karma stands there triumphantly, the Judge takes a five minute recess and is ready to end the trial. in comes Phoenix with, in my opinion, his greatest lines: Maya: ...? Nick? What are you doing? Phoenix: Huh? Oh... I was just reading through the Court Record once more. I'm getting my case ready. Maya: Your case... for what? Phoenix: Huh? Isn't it obvious? I'm going to prove that Miles Edgeworth is innocent. Gumshoe: ...! Gumshoe: Wh-what are you talking about, pal! He just admitted to it! He confessed that he did it! In court! Phoenix: I'm sorry, Edgeworth. But I don't believe your "nightmare." Edgeworth: Wh-what!? Phoenix: It's just a dream. It's not real. The truth is right here in this Court Record. In any case, tighten your belts. The real fight is just beginning. I'll prove you're innocent. Trust me. Edgeworth: W-Wright... Phoenix goes back into the courtroom and battles Karma some more. the location of the second bullet, no clues left at the crime scene, Edgeworth's confession. once again, Phoenix is out of time. ...it must exist... ...the second bullet... ...Someone took it... I'll be honest: I hate this part. I wanted Phoenix to figure this out, not some random appearance from Mia to save the day. even if Phoenix *does* figure it out himself, I wanted to see him come up with the idea himself. ...you're thinking too normal...think crazy... ...don't think why the bullet was taken... ...think why the bullet HAD to be taken... Phoenix: Uh, maybe the bullet, uh... hit the murderer? J-just saying, for instance. I mean, if it hit you, you would have to take it with you, wouldn't you? It's not like you could perform surgery right there. Y-y'know? I can't believe this case wasn't thrown out right there. Judge: Mr. Wright. You are truly the most unpredictable defense attorney I've ever known. I can tell you're grasping, yet I cannot deny the possibility of what you say. Karma: What are you saying! Deny it! Deny it! Karma still isn't shaking, despite Phoenix being onto something. Phoenix: Your Honor! There is a suspect... one lone suspect! Judge: Well, this is certainly interesting news. Very well, Mr. Wright. Who is your suspect? Phoenix: V-V-V... Phoenix: (Urk! My h-hands are shaking!) Phoenix: von Karma! Edgeworth: von Karma!? Judge: You mean, THE von Karma? The prosecutor? Sitting right there? Karma: Bah. Judge: You... don't object? Karma: Hmph. I see no need. Why honor this ridiculous outburst with my objection? STILL nothing. |
| trannifer | Posted 12/10/2007 2:38:31 AM | message detail | #429 |
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Karma: So you're claiming that I took a vacation to heal my "injury" from the incident? Fascinating! Karma: Prove it. I would have needed surgery, no? Where did I go under the knife at, Mr. Wright? Bring the doctor that operated on me! Have him testify! Edgeworth: It's no use. I know von Karma. Perhaps too well. He's perfect. He wouldn't leave clues. He probably didn't undergo surgery. That would leave a doctor as a witness. Maya: So... so what, Nick? Did von Karma pull the bullet out by himself!? That's insane! Phoenix: No... he couldn't have. You can't just pull bullets out of yourself! Phoenix: (Wait... What does that mean...? That bullet has to be somewhere! But... where?) Karma: Hmph! It seems you have finally come to your senses. You've realized the truth: You can't prove something that didn't happen! Phoenix: Alright, von Karma, I'll prove it. And I'll even use evidence... I know how you like it so much. Karma: Wh-what!? I can remember staring at this useless item in my inventory, wondering why they didn't just delete it once I used it in the investigation. I was getting tired of skipping past it repeatedly. but when it hit me what you had to do here, a HUGE smile came over my face. I said out loud, "that's ****ing genius." Phoenix: von Karma is perfect... He wouldn't risk surgery, leaving an evidence trail. So then, I ask, where is that bullet now? I think it unlikely that von Karma performed surgery on himself! Judge: ...! You... you don't mean! Phoenix: I do. There is a possibility that the bullet is still inside von Karma! Judge: I-is that even possible? For all these years!? Phoenix: Well, there's one way to find out. We could use this metal detector! Phoenix: Well, von Karma? I'm going to run this over you, and see what we find. OBJECTION! von Karma grabs his arm and FINALLY starts sweating. that animation is my single favourite in the series because of what it represents -- FINALLY, after all this time and effort, von Karma finally has no response. he has been outsmarted by Phoenix Wright. Karma: I... refuse! Judge: Y-you refuse...!? But, refusing this means...You acknowledge that the bullet is still inside you? Judge: Order! Order! Order! Phoenix: Your Honor! The defense requests that we be allowed to use the metal detector! Karma: Judge! I call for a suspension of this trial! This is an invasion of privacy! Phoenix: The statute of limitations runs out on this case today! It was you who said we had to end it right here, right now! Karma: Mm... mmmph! Judge: Enough! I permit the use of the metal detector. Mr. von Karma, you will submit yourself to testing! Maya: Nick! What does this mean...? Phoenix: I don't know... but we have to give it a shot! ... *beep* *beep* *beeeeeep* von Karma fights back a bit, extending the trial by forcing Phoenix to present evidence. Phoenix destroys him, and we get this: http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6236/vonkarmatz0.gif greatest moment in video games. period. --- xyzzy |
| swirIdude | Posted 12/10/2007 1:14:24 PM | message detail | #430 |
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transience wins at life. --- At least you don't have death perception. Then you'd have to fight vampires and stuff. ~paperwarrior National Shoddy Battle League: 2-2 |
| Cybat | Posted 12/10/2007 1:41:57 PM | message detail | #431 |
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great list. ini/miney is a little high, but your #1 makes up for it. --- Everyone has a right to sarcasm. It's like murder, except legal. - MYC |
| CantFaketheFunk | Posted 12/10/2007 1:51:39 PM | message detail | #432 |
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Von Karma defeat is great. Top 3 for sure, but I don't know if I'd put it as #1. Notably, Ini too high. And missing the Von Karma sibling showdown from 3-5. Still a great list. --- Jayne [Shadow Syndicate]: Level 60 Troll Mage, Mug'Thol Level 3X Gnome Warrior, Skullcrusher |
| transience | Posted 12/10/2007 2:25:40 PM | message detail | #433 |
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the fact that I don't even know what you mean says it all. I assume you
mean Franziska vs. Edgeworth which, as far as I can remember, is just
another trial? --- xyzzy "Until you reveal yourself to be even durango-calibur, there's no point in even bringing my Z-game." -semifinal |
| Crimson Dragoon | Posted 12/10/2007 2:26:58 PM | message detail | #434 |
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It has whip girl so it is instant top 5. </Funk Logic> <_<;; --- ~FFDragon. (at Work !!) The Cream of Resident Evil Fanboyism. |
| transience | Posted 12/10/2007 2:28:15 PM | message detail | #435 |
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it shows her CHARACTER DEPTH and HOW SHE'S CHANGED AND GROWN --- xyzzy "Until you reveal yourself to be even durango-calibur, there's no point in even bringing my Z-game." -semifinal |
| CantFaketheFunk | Posted 12/10/2007 2:39:00 PM | message detail | #436 |
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Yes, the Edgey/Franziska showdown in 3-5. If only because it's quite awesome. And yes, it is actually a scene to show her development. >_> But more than that, it's just cool, sort of symbolic, and more of the Edgeworth/Franziska sibling relationship which is probably one of my favorites in the series. --- Jayne [Shadow Syndicate]: Level 60 Troll Mage, Mug'Thol Level 3X Gnome Warrior, Skullcrusher |
| transience | Posted 12/10/2007 2:43:33 PM | message detail | #437 |
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DAMN YOU AND YOUR "RELATIONSHIPS" seriously though, that's no different than Phoenix vs. Franziska for me once the trial gets started. there's some stuff in the opening and the closing, but otherwise it's just a solid battle, nothing more. --- xyzzy "Until you reveal yourself to be even durango-calibur, there's no point in even bringing my Z-game." -semifinal |
| CantFaketheFunk | Posted 12/10/2007 2:48:07 PM | message detail | #438 |
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Wait, I can't like the sibling bond between Edgey and Fran now? >_> Eh. Yeah, it's just a normal trial, but it's that sort of stuff that makes it cool for me. Franziska's little speech above there, her lying to the judge about Edgey being a defense attorney in a very Frannish way, etc. --- Jayne [Shadow Syndicate]: Level 60 Troll Mage, Mug'Thol Level 3X Gnome Warrior, Skullcrusher |
| transience | Posted 12/10/2007 2:49:39 PM | message detail | #439 |
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you can like whatever you want -- it's just that nobody else cares
about the weird relationships between characters like you do. :) --- xyzzy "Until you reveal yourself to be even durango-calibur, there's no point in even bringing my Z-game." -semifinal |
| Lady Ashe | Posted 12/10/2007 2:51:54 PM | message detail | #440 |
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The metal detector moment was about as good as the reading of the names in 1-2. imho. ~~~ Lady Ashe. The Cream of Final Fantasy Fanboyism. http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/bigboxshots/4/935614_87561_front.jpg |
| transience | Posted 12/10/2007 3:06:10 PM | message detail | #441 |
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you think Morgan Fey is one of the best characters in PW. I think I can deal with your dissenting opinion here. --- xyzzy "Until you reveal yourself to be even durango-calibur, there's no point in even bringing my Z-game." -semifinal |
| CantFaketheFunk | Posted 12/10/2007 3:11:03 PM | message detail | #442 |
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Well that's just dumb. >_> the character interactions make PW. :/ --- Jayne [Shadow Syndicate]: Level 60 Troll Mage, Mug'Thol Level 3X Gnome Warrior, Skullcrusher |
| Lady Ashe | Posted 12/10/2007 3:11:37 PM | message detail | #443 |
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Only objectively! D: ~~~ Lady Ashe. The Cream of Final Fantasy Fanboyism. http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/bigboxshots/4/935614_87561_front.jpg |
| transience | Posted 12/10/2007 3:14:36 PM | message detail | #444 |
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they make PW, but cool scenes usually involve more than 'oh hey
Edgeworth and Franziska are in the same room'. I like twisty things,
climactic scenes, sticking it to people, etc. Edgeworth and Franziska
in a room doesn't qualify. --- xyzzy "Until you reveal yourself to be even durango-calibur, there's no point in even bringing my Z-game." -semifinal |
| CantFaketheFunk | Posted 12/10/2007 3:46:13 PM | message detail | #445 |
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Regardless of the actual SCENES, so you're admitting that the relationships are interesting then? :P (Not quite as telling about them as, say, 2-4 ending or 3-5 earthquake scene. Still cool.) --- Jayne [Shadow Syndicate]: Level 60 Troll Mage, Mug'Thol Level 3X Gnome Warrior, Skullcrusher |
| trannyscience | Posted 12/10/2007 4:24:08 PM | message detail | #446 |
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relationships between people are interesting, that's obvious. sexual undertones that turn into fanfiction are not! I find Phoenix and Edgeworth's relationship pretty interesting, for example. and not in the sexual way. Gumshoe and Phoenix's relationship is a lot of fun, too. --- xyzzy "Zidane? Man, Zidane's the best part of FF9!" -heroic mario |
| CantFaketheFunk | Posted 12/10/2007 4:55:49 PM | message detail | #447 |
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I wasn't talking about sexuality or anything. Edgey and Fran define
themselves as siblings, which sort of prevents romance... most of the
time, anyway >_> Eh, I just really like how they interact with each other. It's obvious that they do care about one another, but as one might expect given how they were raised, it's very much a 'tough love' sort of way. Like in the airport scene in 2-4 or the earthquake scene in 3-5. It's not coddling "I'll make it better," it's "you're better than this, and I know it. Get a hold of yourself." And it is a sort of complex relationship. Franziska sees Edgey as a brother, yes, and cares about him in their own twisted Von Karma way, but I think she does envy/resent him and the fact that she's always been in his shadow. Hence the speech I quoted up there. Sexuality doesn't really factor into most of the awesome relationships in the series. --- Jayne [Shadow Syndicate]: Level 60 Troll Mage, Mug'Thol Level 3X Gnome Warrior, Skullcrusher |
| trannyscience | Posted 12/10/2007 5:12:37 PM | message detail | #448 |
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yeah, I know. I just say that because you and I always fight over those
things, and I wanted to point out which ones I cared about and which
ones I don't! basically, anything involving speculation and reading into the text is something I don't care about, and in a lot of ways, dislike. --- xyzzy "Zidane? Man, Zidane's the best part of FF9!" -heroic mario |
| CantFaketheFunk | Posted 12/10/2007 5:43:23 PM | message detail | #449 |
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Well, it depends on the level of it. There IS a lot of subtext there. Take Adrian and Franziska (no, not romantic, I'm not going into that, I know better. >_<) The game really does pair the two as important to each others' development. Franziska reaches out to Adrian in a way she doesn't do to anybody else, and Adrian has Franziska as her new source of strength. That's the established relationship between them, and it is "reading into it"... just not overtly. --- Jayne [Shadow Syndicate]: Level 60 Troll Mage, Mug'Thol Level 3X Gnome Warrior, Skullcrusher |
| trannyscience | Posted 12/10/2007 5:45:58 PM | message detail | #450 |
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"reaches out"? I always saw that as complete manipulation for her own ends -- to get a guilty verdict. --- xyzzy "Zidane? Man, Zidane's the best part of FF9!" -heroic mario |
