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expaniol | Posted 12/10/2007 5:46:35 PM | message detail | #451

The Ini/Mimi twist was just too predictable too be that great. My first thought as soon as they mentioned "facial reconstruction surgery" from the driver license picture was "Ah, she traded place with her sister and took her place". For most of the reminding parts of the case I just waited for Phoenix Wright to prove this and it didn't have that big impact on me. In fact before replaying PW2 it was my least favourite case in the game (yes, under 2-3 and 2-1).
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CantFaketheFunk | Posted 12/10/2007 5:51:41 PM | message detail | #452

Yes, DURING the case, you're right. that's exactly what she was doing. Which is exactly what Edgeworth calls her on in their airport conversation.

After the case, though? Adrian's credit lines about Franziska offering to let her consult her at any time if she needed anything (PW2) and her coming by to teach her how to use a whip (PW3)? It's not huge, but Franziska is making an effort for Adrian on a personal level that she doesn't do for anybody else.

Now, whether you see it as guilt over using her, a slowly growing friendship or whatever, there is that bond.

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trannyscience | Posted 12/10/2007 8:45:48 PM | message detail | #453

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Naye745 | Posted 12/10/2007 9:46:51 PM | message detail | #454

i didn't see 2-2's twist coming (maybe i'm just a dope), but i loved it even the second time around
i think the way it's presented is just awesome and i'd do a better job explaining it except i suck at doing that
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trannyscience | Posted 12/10/2007 10:01:47 PM | message detail | #455

yeah, I tend not to think too hard on PW plot and just let it lead me whereever it wants. Ini/Mimi threw me even when presented with the choice, simply because it was so out there.

the exception is case 3-5 which I thought was really predictable, but that didn't take away from any of it

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transience | Posted 12/11/2007 1:25:41 AM | message detail | #456

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nintendonut888 | Posted 12/11/2007 2:31:26 AM | message detail | #457

The best thing to do is not to think much on the cases. Otherwise you'll ruin the surprise. That's how Ini Mimi and Godot/murderer completely hit me out of nowhere.

And yes, Von Karma sweating is the best moment in the series.
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Janus5000 | Posted 12/11/2007 2:33:48 AM | message detail | #458

I didn't see the Ini/Mimi thing coming either.

"Who was driving?"
*picks Ini*
"OBJECTION fool fool fool fool"
"wate I mess up?"
*picks Mimi*
"...ohhhhhhhhhh goddamn."
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_Harmonica_ | Posted 12/11/2007 3:15:19 PM | message detail | #459

Yeah, I did the same as Janus. I was confused when Ini was wrong, and then I was like what WHAT OHHH ****
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transience | Posted 12/11/2007 3:15:50 PM | message detail | #460

ditt-oh.
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swirIdude | Posted 12/11/2007 7:39:06 PM | message detail | #461

I did it differently, I tried to pick Bear, then had to settle for Ini/Mimi
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transience | Posted 12/12/2007 1:07:35 AM | message detail | #462

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Eggplant Lord | Posted 12/12/2007 2:33:27 AM | message detail | #463

From expaniol | Posted 12/10/2007 2:46:35 PM | #451
The Ini/Mimi twist was just too predictable too be that great. My first thought as soon as they mentioned "facial reconstruction surgery" from the driver license picture was "Ah, she traded place with her sister and took her place". For most of the reminding parts of the case I just waited for Phoenix Wright to prove this and it didn't have that big impact on me. In fact before replaying PW2 it was my least favourite case in the game (yes, under 2-3 and 2-1).

...Yeah, no.

The idea of a person having his/her sibling die and then assuming his/her dead sibling's identity in a feeble attempt to start a new life as the other through plastic surgery doesn't strike me as an entirely predictable, run-of-the-mill occurrence.

I definitely understand how some people could have figured it out before the case, but there is no way that it was "too predictable." I really don't see how it could be any less predictable and still make sense.

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 12/12/2007 2:34:31 AM | message detail | #464

quick, top 10 pieces of evidence
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Naye745 | Posted 12/12/2007 2:37:29 AM | message detail | #465

"The Thinker"
Metal Detector
"Blue Badger Head" Vase
Screwdriver of no significance
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 12/12/2007 2:38:51 AM | message detail | #466

cardboard attorney badge better be number 1
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captaincanadian | Posted 12/12/2007 2:39:29 AM | message detail | #467

The idea of a person having his/her sibling die and then assuming his/her dead sibling's identity in a feeble attempt to start a new life as the other through plastic surgery doesn't strike me as an entirely predictable, run-of-the-mill occurrence.

In real life? Of course not. In the Phoenix Wright world? I have to say, I'm the same in that once I saw the whole facial reconstruction thing, I knew something was up, simply because the PW games don't include major details like that for no reason at all. That's not to say that the twist was easily predictable or anything, I can easily see how most people would be surprised, but pretty much all the games revolve around whacky incidents like that.
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Naye745 | Posted 12/12/2007 2:42:26 AM | message detail | #468

Attorney's Badge
"I AM" jar
Frequency detector
Cold Killer X
Cardboard badge
Gravy scroll
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Naye745 | Posted 12/12/2007 2:43:19 AM | message detail | #469

oh crap Poison Bottle Necklace should be top 10 too

:(
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transience | Posted 12/12/2007 2:51:50 AM | message detail | #470

oh man let's do this

uhhh predictions
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transience | Posted 12/12/2007 2:52:14 AM | message detail | #471

(predictions may or may not be to remind me of all the stupid evidence you accumulate)
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Naye745 | Posted 12/12/2007 2:54:02 AM | message detail | #472

Combined predix:
Attorney's Badge (all)
"The Thinker" (1-1, 1-2)
Metal Detector (1-4)
Screwdriver of no significance (1-5)
"I AM" jar (2-2, 3-2)
Frequency detector (2-4)
Cold Killer X (3-1)
Necklace of Death (3-1)
Cardboard badge (3-3)
Gravy scroll (3-5)

also C-R has an evidence page which is helping to remind me of stuff
http://www.court-records.net/Evidence.htm
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Naye745 | Posted 12/12/2007 2:54:54 AM | message detail | #473

oh i forgot Larry's drawing now

:( shoot
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transience | Posted 12/12/2007 2:57:13 AM | message detail | #474

oh man, god bless you court records

brb
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transience | Posted 12/12/2007 3:12:08 AM | message detail | #475

10 - http://www.court-records.net/evidence/en_thumbprint_8.gif

just stare at it for a few seconds, it's hypnotic

also it's much better on a black background

9 - http://www.court-records.net/evidence/baseball%20glove.png

how the ****ing hell is this a banana

thinking about this makes me want to dock Wellington another 20 places

8 - http://www.court-records.net/evidence/global%20mascot.png

seriously what the hell is this thing

just look at that face

7 - http://www.court-records.net/evidence/autopsy%20report.png

I like autopsy reports, they're like two lines long so you always know what one thing you're going to need to present it for even if it makes no sense yet

6 - http://www.court-records.net/evidence/ev_case4_ShellysCallingCard_eng.png

cool stuff happens when this thing is around, like Edgeworth's crazy outburst

plus Adrian looks cool when she spins it

5 - http://www.court-records.net/evidence/ev_case2_KureinJar_eng.png

I AM. WHATEVER YOU SAY I AM.

sorry

4 - http://www.court-records.net/evidence/ev_case4_IsaosAutograph_eng.png

best. psycholock. ever.

3 - http://www.court-records.net/evidence/metal%20detecter.png

lol metal detecter

this thing makes 1-4, as I said a couple days ago

2 - http://www.court-records.net/evidence/thinker.png

this thing is just cool, I want one for my house

actually I think my parents had one once upon a time, only it wasn't thinking and was instead laying back and you could see his junk

uhhh on second thought maybe it wasn't very similar

1 - http://www.court-records.net/evidence/lawyer%20badge.png

classix

I always love how they end up working this into cases, plus it just looks cool
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Naye745 | Posted 12/12/2007 3:20:35 AM | message detail | #476

i would put dahlia's necklace really high, because when i realized what it was and what she'd done, that was a "whoa" moment
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transience | Posted 12/12/2007 3:23:45 AM | message detail | #477

I thought about it, but the item itself doesn't mean a whole lot to me

if they had the picture of Terry slumped over at a distance, I might put that
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Haste_2 | Posted 12/12/2007 3:24:19 AM | message detail | #478

Ah, a very solid list for the rankings of the cases, transience... nice to see some 2-2 respect! 3-4 is fantastic, too... just how it fits in with the story, the atmosphere, the twist, and all that stuff. The only thing that bugs me is that you failed to address the weaknesses in 1-4. Take, for example, the investigation portion...most of it is a bore. 2-4 and 3-5 surely have far more interesting investigations, with you constantly moving forward learning important things, and it's just more fun and more intense. I'd argue that 1-5 has great investigations, too, though the fact that you can get stuck easily is detrimental, I'll admit.

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transience | Posted 12/12/2007 3:28:56 AM | message detail | #479

1-4's investigations are fine. if nothing else, there's DL-6, you vs. Karma, the cool scene with Grossberg, etc. 2-4's first day bugged me, actually, but now that I know what to do it isn't so bad. its second day is good of course. I just sucked at trigger-pointing it. sometimes you nail those things and sometimes it's a drag.

I had the worst time with 3-3's trigger points, and I don't even know why. and 1-5's trigger points you already addressed, as they're some of the worst in the series. 3-2 sucks for that stuff too. ranking the investigations of the big cases:

2-4 > 1-4 = 3-5 > 1-5
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Naye745 | Posted 12/12/2007 3:32:38 AM | message detail | #480

One thing I think 2-4 has that 1-4 doesn't is balance. From start to finish, there are a ton of separate awesome moments in 2-4 that occur outside the courtroom, and aren't just at the end of the last day of court. 1-4 just has a lot of filler stuff in the trial days, and a lot of boring examination scenes, that it's not quite as entertaining the second time around.
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transience | Posted 12/12/2007 3:34:14 AM | message detail | #481

I agree, 2-4 is better overall in the sense that there's huge things happening left and right. I prefer the overall atmosphere and plot of 1-4 though, and that last day of 1-4 is untouchable, even by 2-4's ending.
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transience | Posted 12/12/2007 3:00:10 PM | message detail | #482

I think worst pieces of evidence would make a better list than best
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swirIdude | Posted 12/12/2007 3:04:15 PM | message detail | #483

Make it now!
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Eeeevil Overlord | Posted 12/12/2007 4:03:44 PM | message detail | #484

Quick, before you run out of topic room!
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Lady Ashe | Posted 12/12/2007 4:08:16 PM | message detail | #485

the symbol on the card looks like a shellslime from a couple pf feet away.
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Lady Ashe | Posted 12/12/2007 4:08:24 PM | message detail | #486

pf
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Aphex Twin | Posted 12/14/2007 2:13:49 AM | message detail | #487

whoops, forgot about this

uhhhh no one post
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swirIdude | Posted 12/15/2007 8:55:02 PM | message detail | #488

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transience | Posted 12/17/2007 6:05:51 AM | message detail | #489

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transience | Posted 12/19/2007 1:12:01 AM | message detail | #490

blah
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trannyscience | Posted 12/19/2007 8:24:35 PM | message detail | #491

worst evidence

10 - http://www.court-records.net/evidence/whip.png

got old by the first day of 2-2 -- stuck around for another case and a half

9 - picture of Adrian dressed up in the Nickel Samurai suit that isn't on court records for some reason

I hated figuring out where to point in this picture

8 - http://www.court-records.net/evidence/blue%20badger.png

solely for the awful music

7 - http://www.court-records.net/evidence/maya%20clothing.png

for all the love I give 2-2, the whole first day trial is pretty useless, and I blame the stupid gunpowder crap

6 - http://www.court-records.net/evidence/steak%20lunch.png

nuff said

5 - http://www.court-records.net/evidence/chinami2.png

come on, everyone knows it's Dahlia, stop making me trigger point stupid stuff and let me just present the name Dahlia Hawthorne

4 - http://www.court-records.net/evidence/frequency.png

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP OH MY GOD THIS IS SO ANNOYING

3 - Max's Bust -- for some reason they don't have this, probably because they want people to forget how stupid the 2-3 murder is

2 - http://www.court-records.net/evidence/ev_general_GS2GenericNewsClipping_e.png

blah, they don't have the epic LIST OF NAMES that defeats Redd White

1 - http://www.court-records.net/evidence/vase.png

was there ever any doubt?
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The Destoyer | Posted 12/19/2007 8:26:55 PM | message detail | #492

blue badger > all
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trannyscience | Posted 12/19/2007 8:27:51 PM | message detail | #493

I predict you will die a horrible death
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Xene_Elk | Posted 12/19/2007 8:29:07 PM | message detail | #494

THAT VASE AUGH
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SSBM_Guy | Posted 12/19/2007 8:32:10 PM | message detail | #495

9 - picture of Adrian dressed up in the Nickel Samurai suit that isn't on court records for some reason

http://www.court-records.net/screenshot/JFA/nickelleavestheroom.png

3 - Max's Bust -- for some reason they don't have this, probably because they want people to forget how stupid the 2-3 murder is

http://www.court-records.net/screenshot/JFA/pickacardstatue.png

Also...

9 - http://www.court-records.net/evidence/baseball%20glove.png

how the ****ing hell is this not a banana

thinking about this makes me want to raise Wellington another 20 places

Fixed. For great justice.
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The Destoyer | Posted 12/19/2007 8:33:54 PM | message detail | #496

no u
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RPGuy96 | Posted 12/19/2007 8:36:21 PM | message detail | #497

What the hell was that wriggling piece of plywood?
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Xene_Elk | Posted 12/19/2007 8:36:59 PM | message detail | #498

the blue bomber
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trannyscience | Posted 12/19/2007 8:39:08 PM | message detail | #499

you can not merely "fix" a statement involving freaking Wellington

I forgot his first name just now, that's how forgettable he is!
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trannyscience | Posted 12/19/2007 8:39:16 PM | message detail | #500

aw. yeah.
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