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Semi's Xenosaga 3 playthrough topic of immense suffering and horror. *spoilers*
| ZFS | Posted 3/22/2007 11:11:15 PM | message detail | #201 |
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oh man stingers is a xenosaga fanboy you can't listen to anything he says Indeed! --- To my side, my noble Einherjar! |
| TombsisSexyLOL | Posted 3/22/2007 11:12:57 PM | message detail | #202 |
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Srsly. ~~Stingers135~~ --- My name is Stingers...and I love pikaness! 2...Official Self Proclaimed Queen Proclaimed King of Board 8. |
| Dorobou | Posted 3/22/2007 11:16:10 PM | message detail | #203 |
| Oh, I'll freely admit that a lot of the stuff I
say is exaggerated, for the entertainment of people reading the topic
as much as my own amusement, since parts of this game with be too
painful for me not to mock. And that actual dialogue that scared 'Kash is, uh, slighly less gay in-game? <_< The last few hours, though... I'm not even kidding when I say it's walk three scenes, major villain (or the losers with no official art) has a lame scene, you fight a stupidly durable and boring ES battle, villain dies, repeat. I'll address some of what stingers is saying about them having to rush to tie-up loose ends and stuff after I finish the game, because it's a valid argument, but killing off half of the villains in a 5-hour span is not the solution. And, of course, all Shion stuff is 100% accurate. I just mostly condensed her dialogue and made it ALL CAPS. --- I'm dumb, I know. - Heroic Mario I'm dumb, I know. - tranny |
| superaielman | Posted 3/22/2007 11:17:49 PM | message detail | #204 |
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Please don't let a biased playthrough topic (and Shion, who lol sucks hardcore even I admit it k) make you not buy this game. Though it it rushed, thats because they had to wrap up (most of) a 6 game series in one game. And in case anyone cares, Episode 1 and Episode 2 were pretty much supposed to be Episode 1, and Episode 3 was really supposed to be Episode 2. But not as much would've happened, and it wouldn't have been as rushed and stuff. The rushed part explains the simplistic battle system and steps down in terms of polish. Hell, it explains some of the holes in the story. It doesn't explain the immense laziness of lumping every single major organization, in the game as 'lol Wilhelm owns all'. It doesn't justify the immensely insulting and ultimately pointless religious garbage that Semi's about to see. It maybe justifies killing off the villains in rapid fire fashion, but why even bring back someone like Richard? Why completely debase whatever value Margulis had as a character and have him die a dog's death? Why even bring Albedo back, and as a supposedly sympathetic character to boot? It's immensely flawed on top of being rushed. I don't mind rushed (XG was ultimately a decent game in spite of similar problems), but that's the least of XS3's problems. The game does have the ability to write dynamic, interesting characters and scenes to match. Allen and Virgil are unquestionably excellent characters who benefited from XS3, and Jochaim's in the same boat. Why is everything else utter, utter **** though? |
| ZidaneRocks22 | Posted 3/22/2007 11:25:40 PM | message detail | #205 |
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...why do so many people dislike this series/game? T_T It's so damn good but you guys are just hating it because it's "what the cool kids do"! *runs away crying* --- someone say something self-demeaning and funny so I can quote them plz XBL GT~ S B1ade |
| windmage | Posted 3/22/2007 11:29:44 PM | message detail | #206 |
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Ooooooh, Stingers whining about Xenosaga haters. *gets out the popcorn* --- BEHOLD THE SUBLIME FORM OF THE ONE WHO SHALL RULE THE LAND OF RISING SUN! |
| trannyscience | Posted 3/22/2007 11:32:40 PM | message detail | #207 |
| no doubt that Xenosaga 3 was rushed. probably the
biggest rush job of a last dungeon ever. it's like they had two days to
do it and just started flinging crap at the drawing board. I still love it though. it's entertaining and I enjoy the character battle system. ES fights pretty much blow at the end there, but other than that I don't have any major complaints. the story is convoluted and ridiculous and pseudophilsophical, but I enjoy that as well. --- xyzzy™ "You try anything funny, and my AMP will explode on you." - Luster Soldier |
| trannyscience | Posted 3/22/2007 11:32:55 PM | message detail | #208 |
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oooh hey sweetums --- xyzzy™ "You try anything funny, and my AMP will explode on you." - Luster Soldier |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 3/23/2007 4:44:23 PM | message detail | #209 |
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I love this topic. And, from what I can gather...Allen actually does something? --- ...You know what would make this fight even better? If it had the Beetleborgs. And Godzilla.- SEP |
| Dorobou | Posted 3/23/2007 4:55:31 PM | message detail | #210 |
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Well, other than being a temp PC for a little while on Disc 2, he
hasn't done much of anything yet. I've been told he has a couple of
scenes where he's really awesome coming up, though. --- I'm dumb, I know. - Heroic Mario I'm dumb, I know. - tranny |
| Dorobou | Posted 3/25/2007 1:23:26 AM | message detail | #211 |
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Almost done... will finish tomorrow, I swear. --- I'm dumb, I know. - Heroic Mario I'm dumb, I know. - tranny |
| Dorobou | Posted 3/25/2007 2:15:54 PM | message detail | #212 |
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Finished. Day 13.5/14/16 So when I last left off, Margulis committed sepukku while piloting a giant robot and Shion's pendant started giving her directions. After Erde Kaisering my way through some randoms, Shion blacks out, talks to god (who is a little boy), and comes to the conclusion that Kevin is the only one who makes her happy to be alive. With any luck, she'll kill herself once I finish him off. Nephilim: To save the universe, "she" must awaken. But that will likely kill you. No one would blame you for being selfish and letting the universe die, because we expect that sort of thing of you. Shion: NO ONE KNOWS MY PAIN! NO ONE KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT ME! NO ONE KNOWS HOW I FEEL! I'M ALWAYS SO ALONE! WHEN I CALLED FOR HELP, NO ONE SAVED ME! ONLY MY SUPER FANTASICAL EX-BOYFRIEND CURRENT-TESTAMENT KEVIN LISTENED! Nephilim: No. You're wrong. Everyone listened. And, for some godawful reason, everyone wants to protect you even though they've spent enough time around you to know you're not worth. Shion: OH GAWD EVERYONE KEEPS SAYING THAT! IF THAT WERE TRUE THEN WHY DIDN'T THEY SAVE ME?! THEY AVOIDED ME LIKE I WAS SOME KIND OF PLAGUE! IT WOULD BE BETTER IF EVERYONE WOULD JUST ADMIT THEY HATE ME! Nephilim: Shion... please... shut the **** up. Please... SHION: UGH! FINE! I'LL OPEN THE SEAL! BUT ONLY FOR ME BECAUSE I DO FEEL SLIGHTLY GUILTY ABOUT BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR THE IMMINENT DESTRUCTION OF THE UNIVERSE! I STILL HATE ALL OF YOU! Allen: Chief, why do you torture yourself like this? *Shion shoves Allen out of the way* SHION: DON'T TALK TO ME! ONLY KEVIN MAY SPEAK TO ME! Allen: (Okay... here it goes...) But I lov -- urk. I think I just threw up in my mouth a little. Shion: OMIGOD YOU SAW WHAT HAPPENED? I SUMMONED UNIVERSAL DESTRUCTION AND EVERYTHING! Allen: Yes. And I have no reason to believe you can magically solve the problem yourself. When have you ever made any situation better? I'm sure the rest of us can figure out a much better solution. Shion: YOU'RE SO STUPID! ONLY I CAN FIX THINGS NOW! WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU CAN DO? YOU DON'T HAVE ANY POWER! ARE YOU GOING TO SAVE ME?! Allen: I -- Shion: JUST SHUT UP! YOU DON'T HAVE ANY POWER! NOT LIKE MY KEVVY-KINS. Allen: ... Jin: Shion, quit being such a *****. He loves you! Allen: No, that's all right. She's still hung up on her loser ex. Shion: HE'S NOT A LOSER! LEAVE ME ALONE! Okay game, I am very sorry I made fun of the previous parts of Disc 2! Just, please, make her shut up! It hurts... it hurts...! Shion molests corpses while she prattles on. durango would be proud. And then... oh god. ... it hurts... ... ... it huuurts...! KOS-MOS is a toaster inhabited by the soul of Mary Magdeline. T-elos is a blender constructed from parts of Mary Magdeline's corpse. And chaos is their good friend Jesus. And this is explained while the toaster and blender are running up walls and shooting miniguns at each other. Then they fusion dance and become one entity. I'd be warned, but... nothing could prepare me. The fight after? Umm, after I kicked Shion and the toaster out of the party, MOMO and Jin were shaving off 9000+ damage per turn between Blood Dancer and Heaven's Tracker, while Ziggy choked a *****. I think it got something like four attacks in, never saw its ultimate. Well, after that, I want to strangle myself with my controller. I think this means it's time for a break. (part one of i dont know) --- I'm dumb, I know. - Heroic Mario I'm dumb, I know. - tranny |
| Dorobou | Posted 3/25/2007 2:17:47 PM | message detail | #213 |
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After a day's break, I get back to the game. Shion: Kevin! Kevin: Shion. I know you're scared. Don't worry. From now on, I'll tell you how to think and feel. Shion: Oh Kevin... Kevin: I can relate, you know. I, too, was once lost until "he" told me how to think and feel. chaos: When people say "he" surrounded in quotation marks like this, they mean Wilhelm. Jr.: Wilhelm? Vector's CEO?! chaos: I probably could've told you this as early as XS2. Sorry. Kevin: I'll tell you exactly what he said in the form of a flashback. Wilhelm: The universe is being destroyed. Very, very slowly. There's nothing that can be done. Not even God could stop it. lil' Kevin: Why would you tell a little boy who just lost his mom and his homeworld this?! Wilhelm: But there is one thing we can do? lil' Kevin: Which is this "eternal recurrence?" Wilhelm: Right. Before we die, we hit the reset button. And then we repeat that process eternally. It's like playing a PS2 game without a memory card. How do you like this world? You know, the one where your mother's dead and all. 'lil Kevin: I hate the world! Let the universe be destroyed for all I care! After it's gone, I can live in a new universe with mom! The one you were nice enough to point out is dead. Wilhelm: Good answer. How do you feel about the color red? (part two of i dont know) --- I'm dumb, I know. - Heroic Mario I'm dumb, I know. - tranny |
| Dorobou | Posted 3/25/2007 2:18:41 PM | message detail | #214 |
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Kevin: Nice flashback, huh? He's been planning all this since way back
when Lost Jerusalem was still around. He founded and owned virtually
every organization in this series, as lazy as that writing is. After
telling him that I like the color red, I became Joachim Mizrahi's
assistant to spy on him, because he's the only character in this series
who can actually figure out what anything really does. I built a
toaster, gave it breasts because all men are harbingers of destruction
and all women are nuturing souls, put Mary Magdeline's soul into it,
and gave her to you, Shion. Jin: This plan is nauseating and stupid. Jr.: Shion, he planned everything from the beginning! All that death, all that suffering, even all of your own grief and suffering... You better not do something stupid, like betray us to join him. Shion: TELL ME THAT THESE NON-KEVIN PEOPLE ARE JUST LYING BECAUSE THEY HATE SEEING ME BE HAPPY! THAT... that part where you died... that wasn't all just an act, was it? Kevin: Of course not, sweetums. I really died on that day. I had to in order to gain power and this red robe. I needed you to be all grief-stricken so that you would bond more closely with that toaster to hasten Mary Magdeline's awakening. Shion: Hmm... Jr.: You have got to be kidding me. Shion, you cannot possibly be falling for this. Kevin: Baby, I'm sorry for engineering all the suffering and death in your life. But you have to understand, I did it all for you! With this power we can spend all eternity together. Shion: Oh, Kevvy-kins! Allen: No! No ****ing way! Shion: Non-Kevin person? Allen: You orchestrate the murder of nearly everyone she was ever close to and use her like a tool, and then say it was all for her? Kevin: That's right. It's to protect her. Allen: You think you're allowed to do anything you want if you think it'll protect someone's life? That you can just ignore everyone you hurt, including her? No. Just... no. Kevin: Since when do I need permission from a Temp PC? You would just let her die, wouldn't you? You just let her suffer, wouldn't you?! Allen: No, that's not -- Kevin: Pitiful. If passion could save the world, then I wouldn't be wearing a red cape right now. Come along now, Shion. You've done plenty. Let Kevin take care of the rest. It's okay for you to put your own happiness over the fate of all creation. You know, don't you? There's no place for you anywhere but by my side. Shion: Mmm... Kevin... *Shions goes over to Kevin* Allen: Oh, for ****s sake... Jr.: I knew it! *Jr. tries to shoot at Kevin, but Shion blocks* Shion: OMIGOD DON'T HURT HIM! LEAVE US ALONE! Jr.: Of all the stupid things you've done... Jin: After all this BS, you still intend to go with him? Shion: OH NO I AM SO CONFUSED RIGHT NOW WHAT SHOULD I DO? I'M TIRED LEAVE ME ALONE! NONE OF YOU SAVED ME! ONLY KEVIN DID ANYTHING! Jin: None of us want you to suffer. How many times do we have to drive this point home for you to understand? Shion: I DO UNDERSTAND BUT I HATE ALL THIS PITY YOU SHOWER ON ME! IT'S TOO LATE NOW! AND IT'S NOT LIKE YOU UNDERSTAND PEOPLE'S FEELINGS ANYWAY! DIDN'T YOU JUST KILL YOUR EX-GIRLFRIEND?! Jr.: I can't believe you just said that. Allen: I feel dumber for having heard that. Jin: ...I think I've been showing remarkable restraint with you for this entire series. I ask you one more time: Do you intend to go with him? Shion: YES! SHION <3 KEVIN FOREVER! STOP TRYING TO RUIN MY LIFE! Jin: Fine. *Jin unsheathes his sword* Jin: Don't think I won't cut you down to save the world, you spoiled brat. Jr.: He looks serious, Shion. You might want to rethink this. MOMO: Kevin's a loser, anyway. Shion: I TOLD YOU MY MIND IS MADE UP! Kevin: Take a hike. She's back with my now. And we're going to be together forever! Jr.: All right, if you're gonna be like that, I'm not holding back. (part three of i dont know) |
| Dorobou | Posted 3/25/2007 2:20:12 PM | message detail | #215 |
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Joke battle ensues. Snapping Shion's neck with Ziggy is pretty much the most cathartic experience imaginable. Then Allen starts verbally owning the hell out of Kevin. Allen: Please, stop all this! Jr.: Get out of the way, Allen! Jin: Yes, move. Allen: No, I won't move. C'mon... Chief, guys, everyone... get we forget our troubles over a big bowl of strawberry ice cream? We're all trying to protect the universe, aren't we? Kevin: You still don't understand? The cries of the powerless are what's meaningless. Your pathetic voice will reach no one. Also, I hate strawberry ice cream. Allen: That's enough, Kevin! You're trying to tell me that you're the only ones who can save the world? That it's impossible for us? Kevin: Correct. You can't save Shion or the universe. Allen: Bull****! Everyone here is resolved to fight! No one can laugh at that resolve! Kevin: You dare say we Testaments lack resolve? Allen: Yes! You just ran away from living as human beings! Scared of death, scared of being weak... most of you have even admitted as much at this point! They were all just trying to run away from the harshness of reality. The power of the Testaments? More like the power to run away like pansies! Kevin: And you have this resolve! Ha? You can't even win the heart of the one single woman you love. She chose me over you. Me! What can you do? Allen: I may be a weak human being, and you may view me as an insignificant creature, but I'll never leave the Chief behind and run! I'll stay right here and save her, no matter what! Kevin: We'll see about that! *Kevin hits Allen with Force Lightning, bringing him to the ground* Kevin: What happened to standing firm? A pathetic creature like you could never save Shion. It's time I swatted this bothersome fly. Shion: OMIGOD LEAVE HIM ALONE KEVIN! Kevin: Huh? Shion: HE CAN'T EVEN STAND UP ON HIS OWN. WHAT'S HE GOING TO DO NOW? Kevin: You're really pathetic, Allen. Not awesome like me and Shion and maybe Wilhelm and my mom but no one else. Does having Shion's pity make you feel any better? You really want her sympathy that much? Allen: Sympathy? You don't understand her suffering like I do. [insert Allen talking about supposed positive qualities of Shion here] You have no idea how much she's suffered. How could someone like you possibly understand?! Shion: STOP IT ALLEN IF YOU KEEP TALKING LIKE THAT KEVIN'S JUST GOING TO BEAT YOU UP AGAIN! Allen: I wanted to feel her pain. I wanted to suffer in her place. I wanted to spend my life together with her. I may not be able to do much in this world, but I would do anything for her! There is no end to my masochism! Kevin: Please, I want to spend all eternity with her. You may be a masochist, but I am more masochistic still! Allen: Yeah? Well, my feelings will never change for her! No matter how much she fails at everything! I may have only been able to watch her from afar, but I would never abandon her by arranging my own death to hang around with a bunch of other guys with matching outfits! I won't lose to someone like you who has only run away! Kevin: What?! You die now! *Kevin attempts to Force Lightning Allen again, only for KOS-MOS to save him* (part four of i dont know) --- I'm dumb, I know. - Heroic Mario I'm dumb, I know. - tranny |
| Dorobou | Posted 3/25/2007 2:21:24 PM | message detail | #216 |
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KOS-MOS: I, too, understand your feelings, now that the soul within
this toaster has awakened. I feel everyones pain. Let's go to Shion now. Shion: AAAAAAH! WHY DO YOU PEOPLE KEEP DOING THINGS LIKE THIS? Kevin: Mary, you dare defy Wilhelm? KOS-MOS: To protect Shion? I dare. Kevin: Worthless failure. The blender should've won. KOS-MOS: Shion, do you really want to betray everyone? I only ask this after you already have. Kevin: Back off, toaster! *Kevin tries to blast KOS-MOS, but Shion stops him* Shion: Kevvy-kins... I was okay with you using me and killing everyone I was close to, because you're sweet and I know you did it all for me... but maybe it's not okay for the universe to be destroyed for my own happiness. Kevin: What are you saying, sweetheart? Shion: I'm sure I'd be happy with you, because you're the best person ever and I love you, but maybe it wouldn't be great for me to be the only person with true happiness. Kevin: Are you... are you dumping me? Shion: If you force me to choose between you and my lesbian toaster lover, I have to please the durangos out there. Sorry. Kevin: Argh! Listen to me! You can't leave me! If you leave me, you will die! Shion: Sorry. I don't feel like being your tool right now. Kevin: No! I won't let you leave! You will love me and you will stay with me, even if I have to kill everyone else you know and keep you here by force! I am the best boyfriend ever, damn it! Kevin then turns into the new secret boss in Kingdom Hearts 2: Final Mix+ and the battle starts. Like every human battle boss on Disc 2 other than Yuriev, his durability sucks. Unlike the others, though, his damage was pretty good. And he managed to get off one Immoral Meridian, which did 12,000 damage to my 8,100 HP Ziggy. Not too shabby. He did only get off the one, though. Shion: Kevin, I don't want to fight you! Kevin: I don't want to fight you, either. WHY CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND I HOW MUCH I LOVE YOU?! I KILLED YOUR PARENTS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU AND THEN MADE YOU RELIVE IT FOR OUR LOVE! Wilhelm: Way to not succeed, Kevin. I knew I was wrong to place any kind of faith in you. Kevin: Grr... *Kevin retreats* (part five of i dont know) --- I'm dumb, I know. - Heroic Mario I'm dumb, I know. - tranny |
| Dorobou | Posted 3/25/2007 2:22:30 PM | message detail | #217 |
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Then the party runs into Wilhelm, who says stuff about ancient
technology, owning every organization in the game, gnosis being people
who reject the world as it is now, and essentially covering God's eyes
with their hands so he can't see what's going on. Then he tries to
forcefully extract Shion's power from her, because he's the only
character on-screen who doesn't care if she dies for some reason. But
then Kevin cuts off his arm, SWERVE?! Wilhelm: Did you enjoy yourself? I knew you were going to do that. Kevin: What?! Wilhelm: In addition to owning everything, I also know everything. I know you never really wanted order for the universe. You just want to spend an eternity with Shion, with no one else in your "world." I think you win the award for most masochistic in the cast. Kevin: What's wrong with that? This world sucks, but me and Shion will be together FOREVER! Wilhelm: Her? Really? Oh well, now I'm going to weld you to the floor while I torture your girlfriend. Shion: owowowowoOWOWOWOWOW! Wilhelm: Change you mind yet? Shion: owowowowowowowowowno! Wilhelm: All right. Toaster, bring Shion to me. Now, now, don't give me that sad look. Shion will suffer in eternal pain, unable to die. You can fix that. *KOS-MOS grabs the key from Shion and brings it over to Wilhelm, only to crush it right in front of him* Wilhelm: Wait, I didn't know that was going to happen! Impossible, I'm supposed to know everything! Well, there was when I was a bit surprised Yuriev came so close to success, but that didn't count! Now everyone will die! The universe will be destroyed! *Kevin shoves his magic glowy hand through Wilhelm's chest* Kevin: Did you see that coming this time? Wilhelm: Nnn -- of course! Are you going to try to shield Shion. Kevin: The world and humanity have rejected us. Even Shion dumped me. Wilhelm: I cannot be rejected by INFERIOR BEINGS! They who know nothing can understand nothing. Kevin: We're the ones who Ansem was talking about. They're trying to live their own lives without an albino and his four manservants in matching costumes dicking around with everything. They know the universe may be destroyed, but they choose to continue living even with that knowledge. Wilhelm: Poppycock! chaos: Jesus thinks it can be done. Wilhelm: I didn't expect to hear that out of you. Wow, my powers of prediction are actually not too good. chaos: I'll use my super carpentry powers to fix everything. With a little help, of course. Wilhelm: Too late. The Xenogears cameo is screaming. The Nietzsche reference is going out of control. Last chance to fix things with a quick reset, Mary the Toaster. Kevin: No! Wilhelm's you're honoring our suicide pact now! Shion, you fix things while I'm killing us! Shion: Kevvy-kins! chaos: It just goes to show you guys that it doesn't matter how likely it is that the universe is going to be destroyed so long as we have courage! And then we get ot he big, final battle that the entire series has been leading up to... Zarathustra? Really? Bah. That's a bit of an anticlimax. I OHKO it with a Heaven's Tracker'D EKS. I want this game to be over. (part i think six of i dont know) --- I'm dumb, I know. - Heroic Mario I'm dumb, I know. - tranny |
| Dorobou | Posted 3/25/2007 2:24:10 PM | message detail | #218 |
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Wilhelm: Oh no I am dead now. Remember, the universe might be eventually destroyed one day. Kevin: Shion, I was attracted to you the first day I met you. Back when you were, like, nine years-old. There's nothing weird about that, is there? Shion: Oh Kevvy-kins... I love you! And I thank you for having countless people killed, including my own parents, making my relive the death of my parents and reveal that I was the source of humanity's impending destruction, having yourself killed to drive me far enough into grief to become overly attached to a toaster, and plotting to create a world where no one else exists but the two of us. You've given me so many precious memories, all through our love. Kevin: That's the smile I like to see! I need to finish dying now, so get back to the world. Bye. Shion: Bye. Then the two full-series XG cameos walk out of the Zarathustra system. They're taking all the Gnosis back to Earth and tell Shion that if humanity takes their vitamins, say their prayers, and drink their milk, maybe the universe might now be eventually destroyed. Then chaos comforts Shion by telling her that his Jesus powers are just as likely to lead to the destruction of the universe as she is. Then he tells them that this region of space is about to be destroyed, that they need to escape, and that he can't help them get away. He also reveals that, at best, the universe will be destroyed in a couple tens of thousands of years. But everything can be fixed if they find Earth. And he keeps talking and talking, even though he just told them that they really need to hurry up and get the **** out of there. More durango-bait ShionxKOS-MOS scenes follow. Oh god, Shion/Jin angst. Where Shion is the one in the right. Then Jin goes off to get himself killed. WTF, Jin? I thought you were supposed to be one the smart, reasonable PCs. And then HOLY **** ALLEN BEAT A GNOSIS DOWN WITH A RIFLE AND THEN SHOT IT'S HEAD OFF LIKE A TOTAL BADASS! That was crazy awesome! Right after, Jin and KOS-MOS go and get themselves killed right before Nephilim and chaos finish their mojo. Then Nephilim evolves into Sophia and everyone teleports away to Earth. Just when it looks like all is lost for the Elsa and all characters aboard it, the crew activates overboots... which gives the ship angel wings that flap and make it go faster. I am not kidding. With the UMN network destroyed, making long-distance communication and space flight much more difficult, Shion, Jr., and Allen are going to fly around blindly and look for Earth in the Elsa. Great plan, guys. MOMO's all "Hey, Jr.? Could you say hello to Albedo for me? I forgive him for that whole mind-raping me twice thing. Tee hee." What is it about the ending which makes even the relatively reasonable PCs behave like such idiots? Shion: OMIGOD I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT WILHELM WANTED TO DO NOW HIS METHODS WERE KINDA BAD BUT LIVING THE SAME LIFE OVER AND OVER AGAIN WOULDN'T BE TOO BAD. PEOPLE ARE LIKE FLAWED AND STUFF BUT THE FUTURE IS NICE. THE END. chaos: As long as godawful writing continues to exist in the hearts of men, so shall we! Right, KOS-MOS? KOS-MOS: Ya. Shot of KOS-MOS's broken body floating through space... FIN. (part seven of is it really seven?) --- I'm dumb, I know. - Heroic Mario I'm dumb, I know. - tranny |
| transience | Posted 3/25/2007 2:30:40 PM | message detail | #219 |
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that might be the best series of posts i've ever seen on these boards --- xyzzy "Theo is well again." - FFDragon |
| transience | Posted 3/25/2007 2:31:03 PM | message detail | #220 |
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so, uh, rate it out of ten honestly! --- xyzzy "Theo is well again." - FFDragon |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 3/25/2007 2:33:07 PM | message detail | #221 |
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Just when it looks like all is lost for the Elsa and all characters
aboard it, the crew activates overboots... which gives the ship angel
wings that flap and make it go faster. I am not kidding. wut And Ziggy has no lines in the ending? --- ...You know what would make this fight even better? If it had the Beetleborgs. And Godzilla.- SEP |
| SOS_Brigade | Posted 3/25/2007 2:42:34 PM | message detail | #222 |
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http://forums.xenotensei.com/index.php?topic=72.0 Read if you want to understand the story more. Which I'm sure none of you do. X_X ~~Stingers135~~ --- My name is Stingers...and I love pikaness! The cream of hating Marche, the most Evil VG Character Ever. |
| MartinFF7 | Posted 3/25/2007 2:42:54 PM | message detail | #223 |
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tbh Ziggy was always the most ancillary of the PC's, other than his conflict w/ Voyager. Also, great posts & reminded me of how ridiculous Shion is! --- I'll see you in Hell! (From Heaven!) |
| transience | Posted 3/25/2007 2:44:18 PM | message detail | #224 |
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Read if you want to understand the story more. Which I'm sure none of you do. X_X if you need someone to spend hours explaining what the hell is going on, something's wrong --- xyzzy "Theo is well again." - FFDragon |
| SOS_Brigade | Posted 3/25/2007 2:44:56 PM | message detail | #225 |
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Most games have things that need to be cleared up, tranny. Especially
when you have a limited budget and can only make 3 games out of a
planned 6 game series. Just when it looks like all is lost for the Elsa and all characters aboard it, the crew activates overboots... which gives the ship angel wings that flap and make it go faster. I am not kidding. srsly wtf was up with that ~~Stingers135~~ --- My name is Stingers...and I love pikaness! The cream of hating Marche, the most Evil VG Character Ever. |
| SOS_Brigade | Posted 3/25/2007 2:53:38 PM | message detail | #226 |
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Yeah, when you said the "little boy" (Abel), was God, that was technically incorrect as far as I'm
concerned. In the Xenosaga series, "God" is mainly defined as a being
in the Upper Domain, or the Lower Level Imaginary Domain. There is not
one singular god, there are many beings that could be called Gods by
Lower Domain, Real Domain beings. U-Do is a being from the Upper Domain who wished to observe Lower Domain beings, so he "implanted" himself into (mostly) the Imaginary Lower Domain. However, he also needed something to watch in the Real Lower Domain, so he created Abel to watch in the Lower Real Domain. Abel was then a Lower Domain being, seeing as how he was created by U-Do, to observe the Real Lower Domain (mainly, Nephilim), and thus, would not be considered a "God", an Upper Domain or Imaginary Lower Domain being. As far as I'm concerned. Thats my take on it. ~~Stingers135~~ --- My name is Stingers...and I love pikaness! The cream of hating Marche, the most Evil VG Character Ever. |
| Dorobou | Posted 3/25/2007 2:55:44 PM | message detail | #227 |
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that might be the best series of posts i've ever seen on these boards It's amazing that I managed to get seven uninterrupted posts when I usually couldn't get two in this topic. so, uh, rate it out of ten honestly! -111111111111091923/10 lulz! I don't know, uh, on a scale of 0-10... it's definitely not higher than a two. I need to figure out just how much Disc 2 does to erase the awesomeness of the Miltia arc. Disc 1, on it's own, would probably be pulling a 7/10 or so after subtracting crappy gameplay, stuff before the Miltia arc, and the shower scene from the Miltia stuff. Disc 2, meanwhile, is... I think I need a new ranking system for something that low. And Ziggy has no lines in the ending? I think he had two lines during the ending. And they were something along the lines of "We need to hurry!" and "Will do." -_- tbh Ziggy was always the most ancillary of the PC's, other than his conflict w/ Voyager. Not quite true. He was pretty important in XS1&2 whenever the story was focusing on MOMO and Jr., since he was always there, interacting with them, serving as a guardian for MOMO and a pseudo-mentor for Jr.. In fact, he had a lot of lines in XS2. And a lot of that good character interaction between the PCs is one of the things this game was sorely lacking. Also, great posts & reminded me of how ridiculous Shion is! All must know of how hard she fails! srsly wtf was up with that u meen it wuznt cleered up in taht link u just gave us??? =P Budget cuts and rushing the series aren't really a good excuse. Could XS3 have been a great series of games? Sure, it's possible, even likely. But it's really just one really horrible game. It makes more sense to hate it for what it is than yelling at people for not loving it for what it could have been. And yes, I know Abel wasn't technically god and was really just god's interstellar, universal nanny cam. --- I'm dumb, I know. - Heroic Mario I'm dumb, I know. - tranny |
| transience | Posted 3/25/2007 2:58:10 PM | message detail | #228 |
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curious - what's so crappy about the gameplay? --- xyzzy "Theo is well again." - FFDragon |
| AnesthesicAche | Posted 3/25/2007 2:58:30 PM | message detail | #229 |
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I love the gameplay...I didn't think it was as good as the first two games, though. ~~Stingers135~~ --- My name is Stingers...and I love pikaness! The cream of hating Marche, the most Evil VG Character Ever. |
| Dorobou | Posted 3/25/2007 3:01:46 PM | message detail | #230 |
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It just feels like such a step back from the previous games, where you
had to try to manipulate when you and bosses got turns while you fought
them. Breaking was an okay idea, but it's generally not a factor
against most randoms, most bosses aren't competent enough to really
take advantage of it, and it tends to make most bosses weaklings who
spend all the turns when they can use their good damage broken. I hope I don't need to explain ES combat. --- I'm dumb, I know. - Heroic Mario I'm dumb, I know. - tranny |
| AnesthesicAche | Posted 3/25/2007 3:02:25 PM | message detail | #231 |
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ES Combat was fun to watch...<_< ~~Stingers135~~ --- My name is Stingers...and I love pikaness! The cream of hating Marche, the most Evil VG Character Ever. |
| transience | Posted 3/25/2007 3:03:21 PM | message detail | #232 |
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nah, not at all. (though I don't think ES gameplay on disc 1 is bad,
mostly because it didn't get annoying yet.) I definitely think it's
better than XS1 gameplay, one of the slowest and most boring combat
systems. XS2 has its strengths because it's complex, though that's also
its biggest drawback. XS3 is a lot of fun because it's fast and simple. I enjoy that. --- xyzzy "Theo is well again." - FFDragon |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 3/25/2007 3:03:43 PM | message detail | #233 |
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This topic makes we want to play Xenogears. --- http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=33847108 Now playing: Final Fantasy III DS, Rogue Galaxy |
| AnesthesicAche | Posted 3/25/2007 3:04:07 PM | message detail | #234 |
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It should want to make you play Xenosaga 3 :( ~~Stingers135~~ --- My name is Stingers...and I love pikaness! The cream of hating Marche, the most Evil VG Character Ever. |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 3/25/2007 3:05:13 PM | message detail | #235 |
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And normally I never read huge long posts, but I read every single word of that ending and I loved every minute of it. --- http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=33847108 Now playing: Final Fantasy III DS, Rogue Galaxy |
| Dorobou | Posted 3/25/2007 3:18:20 PM | message detail | #236 |
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ES gameplay starts getting bad when you fight Omega Universitas. It's
the first of the freakishly durable ES bosses which plague most of Disc
2. The first fights with Margulis and Virgil's ESes aren't too bad,
though. Good to see even some of the XS3 fans are enjoying my posts. I might have some sort of further character analysis later on, so I can bash Shion some and show off some of my other observations. Like how KOS-MOS, containing the consciousness of Mary, is "good," while T-elos, constructed from Mary's flesh, is "evil," which is pretty much in line with Gnostic beliefs. --- I'm dumb, I know. - Heroic Mario I'm dumb, I know. - tranny |
| Alanna82 | Posted 3/25/2007 3:26:54 PM | message detail | #237 |
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I dont think I will ever play a Xenosaga game after reading this.
Seriously, that is the worst religious reference EVER. I actually found
I somehow actually have the first Xenosaga game despite me never buying
it. (I think my brother put it in my games when he moved out.)I dont
really want to play it though, after reading this topic (yes I know its
for the third game, but Shion seems really stupid) --- Happily married to Wiggumfan267 on Valentines day, 2005. "Selling Suikoden 3 is criminal"- Heroic Mario |
| AnesthesicAche | Posted 3/25/2007 3:30:50 PM | message detail | #238 |
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Alanna... God dammit Semi. Now you're making people not play this game with your sarcasm :( ~~Stingers135~~ --- My name is Stingers...and I love pikaness! The cream of hating Marche, the most Evil VG Character Ever. |
| Dorobou | Posted 3/25/2007 3:32:35 PM | message detail | #239 |
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Oh, don't worry Alanna. The first two games are both pretty good. And I'm sure you'll love Shion. --- I'm dumb, I know. - Heroic Mario I'm dumb, I know. - tranny |
| AnesthesicAche | Posted 3/25/2007 3:33:36 PM | message detail | #240 |
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From Dorobou | Posted 3/25/2007 3:32:35 PM | #239 Oh, don't worry Alanna. The first two games are both pretty good. And I'm sure you'll love Shion. Nobody loves Shion X_X ~~Stingers135~~ --- My name is Stingers...and I love pikaness! The cream of hating Marche, the most Evil VG Character Ever. |
| Dorobou | Posted 3/25/2007 3:37:22 PM | message detail | #241 |
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I've been to the XS3 board. There are people who love Shion. Had I any
faith in humanity left, I would have killed myself upon seeing that. But I think Alanna would really relate to her, y'know? --- I'm dumb, I know. - Heroic Mario I'm dumb, I know. - tranny |
| MartinFF7 | Posted 3/25/2007 3:43:55 PM | message detail | #242 |
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Not quite true. He was pretty important in XS1&2 whenever the
story was focusing on MOMO and Jr., since he was always there,
interacting with them, serving as a guardian for MOMO and a
pseudo-mentor for Jr.. I never said he wasn't important... he's just the least important of the main cast - MOMO and Jr. are key figures in Eps 1 and 2, Shion and KOS-MOS are always at the forefront, chaos is Space Jesus, and Jin... well, he's Jin (he got a fair bit of screentime in the last two eps). So compared to everyone else, Ziggy is the least important imo, but that doesn't mean he isn't important (and he was on the main team for each of my first 3 XS playthroughs... still remember levelling his Executioner tech an obscene amount in Episode 1. Executioner!!!) --- I'll see you in Hell! (From Heaven!) |
| wavedash101 | Posted 3/25/2007 3:50:33 PM | message detail | #243 |
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Shion: If you force me to choose between you and my lesbian toaster lover, I have to please the durangos out there. Sorry. XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Annoying posters! I am the great wavedash! |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 3/25/2007 3:54:53 PM | message detail | #244 |
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I don't care if Ziggy was the least important cast member. He was by far the most awesome. --- ...You know what would make this fight even better? If it had the Beetleborgs. And Godzilla.- SEP |
| transience | Posted 3/25/2007 3:56:42 PM | message detail | #245 |
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yeah, I think Alanna would like Shion. she's a poor tortured soul who needs saving. --- xyzzy "Theo is well again." - FFDragon |
| Dorobou | Posted 3/25/2007 4:01:50 PM | message detail | #246 |
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Non-Shion/Jin PCs barely got any dialogue as it was. Ziggy only had any
lines when Voyager was around, Jr. only had any lines when
Albedo/Yuriev was around, MOMO only had lines during that one scene
with Mizrahi, and KOS-MOS/chaos only got any lines towards the very
end. You could remove most of the PC cast at any one time and it
wouldn't affect anything. --- I'm dumb, I know. - Heroic Mario I'm dumb, I know. - tranny |
| ZFS | Posted 3/25/2007 6:57:02 PM | message detail | #247 |
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I think I need to do some sort of combination of drinking bleach,
washing my eyes out with acid, and slowly cutting various veins to stop
the torture of Shion speaking. Otherwise, that was one of the greatest pieces of writing ever put on this board. Bravo! --- An infinite world. Infinite possibilities. Infinite Undiscovery. |
| Kloggmonkey | Posted 3/25/2007 7:00:48 PM | message detail | #248 |
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Man, I totally need to find one heavily debated match in any upcoming
contest and make a bet with Aitch Emm. If he loses he has to play
through the Xeno- series. And something else that's bad for me if I
lose. >_> --- DNEA |
| ZFS | Posted 3/25/2007 7:04:26 PM | message detail | #249 |
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I would never, ever make a bet that potentially makes me have to play
Xenosaga II or III. Xenogears and Xenosaga were bad enough. >_> --- An infinite world. Infinite possibilities. Infinite Undiscovery. |
| Kloggmonkey | Posted 3/25/2007 7:05:40 PM | message detail | #250 |
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Um... you could make me play through the... uh... Ys series? --- DNEA |
